Lenny Schafer’s Delicious Cheap Shot

24 May

It’s no secret that I don’t think much of either the reasoning powers, nor general behaviour, of the collection of individuals that populate David Kirby’s ‘Evidence of Harm’ Yahoo Group. Every time I think they can’t surprise and disgust me more, they manage it.

This is the group of people from which sprung an anonymous email referring to Megan as a ‘little bitch’. This is the group of email who have attacked autistic people viciously and repeatedly. It beggars belief that a group of people who are parents to autistic people could be so disrespectful to autistic people when they claim to be ‘the autism community’. But then, how could anyone expect anything better from parents who refer to their own children as ‘dull witted’.

A member of the EoH group has compared my daughter to a monkey when i described how well she was progressing. This same member later said on his own blog:
….My wife bought too many bananas so I’ll send some for your daughter …..

and followed that up with

…Perhaps you can teach your daughter to swing from tree to tree…

This is ample evidence of the sort of people who infest this particular corner of Yahoo.

However, if more proof were needed, today Lenny Schafer, creator of the EoH Yahoo Group established once and for all the level of disregard for children that the EoH group has.

Schafer posted this story to the EoH list today. It concerns a scumbag who has over 100,000 images of child porn in their posession. As part of this scumbags defence, he is claiming he is autistic. Take a place in line behind Cho, scumbag.

Schafer, however, altered the headline so it read:

Prison Ordered for NeuroDiverse Man With More Than 100,000 Child Porn Pictures

and offered this commentary, accompined with a link to this site:

OK, so I added “ND” to the headline to make it more politically correct for all those mercury apologist ghosts lurking on our list. The ND sword cuts both ways. Sometimes you just can’t pass up a delicious cheap shot. Lenny

A delicious cheap shot.

I’m so very happy that Lenny Schafer finds the idea of utilising the torture, rape and suffering of children as an opportunity for a delicious cheap shot as in any way an acceptable thing to do. Schafer doesn’t like neurodiversity. Thats his right. He should campaign against it as hard as he likes. However to utilise the suffering of children in his demonisation is beyond sick.

Lenny Schafer might want to look to the top right hand corner of this website. In it he will find a picture of four year old Madeline McCann, a baby girl who was abducted from her holiday home three weeks ago. That picture has been on my site for almost a fortnight now. Its on the website of many UK residents.

No doubt Lenny Schafer and the antivaccinationist ignorati who surrounds himself with will pat themselves mightily on the back for getting under my skin so much. Because they have. I don’t think you should ever make light of the abduction, rape and torture of children.

I put up that picture of Maddy in the hopes that maybe – a slim hope – someone who knows something might see it and do something which would mean she was returned to the arms of her parents.

I have also colluded with people Lenny Schafer considers friends in the relatively recent past after it was made known to me that an author of an autism book who was friends with a DAN! doctor was a paedophile. I did this to ensure no children would fall into these people’s clutches.

You made your cheap shot Mr Schafer. I hope you found it ‘delicious’.

30 Responses to “Lenny Schafer’s Delicious Cheap Shot”

  1. Friend in California May 24, 2007 at 15:52 #

    A co-worker of mine has a saying that applies in this case:
    “Consider the Source.”
    Your outrage is well-placed. What a jerk.

  2. livsparents May 24, 2007 at 15:59 #

    Hey, do you have “Amber Alerts” on the island? This is a way of informing law enforcement and media outlets of a child’s abduction where they sometimes give make and model of car, childs picture, they plaster it on electronic road signs, excetera. They’ve gotten quite a few kids back that way.

    The bulk of your story speaks for itself…

  3. Joel Smith May 24, 2007 at 16:33 #

    I kind of laughed when I saw Lenny’s comment. I already knew him to be an ass, have no problem admitting that people with autism can commit crimes and do awful things (but, unlike the neo-Nazi viewpoint he is too ignorant to know he is supporting, I don’t support the idea that crime is linked to neurology), and think that things like this in the end do far more to discredit him than he might think.

    I’m all for Lenny discrediting himself. So I hope he makes some more statements like that sometime soon.

    The mercury militia doesn’t really have anyone in power who is someone I’d like as a role model. I’m hoping that at least some (hopefully even most) parents can see what kind of person becomes a leader in this cult.

  4. David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) May 24, 2007 at 17:35 #

    Thing is, with Lenny and his type, that … well, when all they can come out with is shite, the appropriate diagnosis is ‘arsehole’.

    Am I right, or am I correct?

  5. culvercitycynic May 24, 2007 at 17:49 #

    Yeah, that Lenny, he has such respect for kids. One hears that he spent his adopted kid’s gov’t issued monthly stipend supporting the production and promotion of “THE SAR!” (read: himself) all those years. Then when the kid aged-out, Lenny went begging, hat-in-hand. What a guy.

  6. Kev May 24, 2007 at 18:07 #

    Joel, I understand your reaction totally and if this was a different time with different things going on, I might’ve laughed too. But not right now. Too close to home.

    Bill – Maddy went missing whilst the family were on holiday in Portugal.

  7. VAB May 24, 2007 at 18:09 #

    I’ve got to wonder why you read this stuff. There are lots of misinformed and unpleasant people in the world. Just because this particular collection of them have autistics kids, doesn’t mean you have to read what they write.

  8. Kev May 24, 2007 at 18:28 #

    Good question. Truth is that I hadn’t read that particular board for awhile. I got this in a mail to me.

    However, these are people who believe they are above any sort of overview or accountability. Given my opinion that a lot of them are a mix of antivax crackpots and victims of quacks with shit to sell and that they push their hypothesis at every opportunity, I think someone needs to keep an eye on what they are up to.

  9. VAB May 24, 2007 at 20:21 #

    “I think someone needs to keep an eye on what they are up to”

    You may be right, though I must say, rather you than me.

  10. bones.0504 May 24, 2007 at 20:40 #

    “Red herring anti-vaccine campaigners are not warmly welcomed. There is only one rule of behavior: be polite, not rude to your neighbors. Everyone can post anything they want to this list as long as they are not rude in doing so.”

    The above [mis]statement is a direct quote taken from the EoH full page description – displayed on Yahoo Groups.
    For anyone who has read the EoH postings, the above statement is all the evidence you need to know that Lenny Shaffer is the quintessential hypocrite. His sycophants merely echo his venomous aspersions because they are literally incapable of forming an independent thought. (Although, from a sociological perspective, it is quite interesting. I have to admit.)

    That said, commenting on their insults, red herrings, and ad hominems only aids in lending credence to their efforts (this posting included).

    Truth is, they wouldn’t have anything to talk about if they weren’t gossiping and spreading misinformation. If they weren’t lashing out at you, Kev, it would have been someone else’s turn.

    It is what it is.

  11. Kev May 24, 2007 at 21:40 #

    bones – correct. I caught the tail end of your time on there today when I went to check for myself Lenny Schafer had actually said what he did.

    I wonder how many of these people logoff and think ‘wow, maybe I didn’t need to go so far’. Sadly, not enough.

    That said, I wonder how any parent could find it ‘delicious’ to make light of a story about child abuse. Something is seriously not right in that picture.

  12. Ms. Clark May 24, 2007 at 21:57 #

    It’s just amazing to me. Lenny’s probable grandson (adopted son who looks a lot like him) is autistic, Lenny would probably by thrilled to bits if the young man was re-diagnosed as having Asperger’s. Lenny slams people with Asperger’s diagnoses as not being real autistics and anyone who argues with him he un-diagnoses by remote control and says we are merely insane. But one of Lenny’s good friends, uber mercury mom, and one of the most vicious people to have attacked Kevin Leitch… that would be Lujene Clark (no relation) has a son who descended into the hell that is Asperger’s at age 8, following a flu shot… never mind that by that definition the kid doesn’t have any autism spectrum disorder at all. Maybe he’s ADHD… but he does have a big head… which probably didn’t get that big following the flu shot at age 8.

    Yeah. Lujene runs the nomercury.org website
    http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/16/clark/index.html

    Anyway, by Lenny’s defintion, Temple Grandin is not autistic. No really. I asked him if she was autistic, just to make sure and he refused to answer.

    Lenny’s been urging the EoHam gang to subscribe to the SAR recently, which was weird. He said only half of the EoHam group were subscribers to the SAR. I think he doesn’t realize that more than half of the EoHam group joined and then stopped reading a long time ago.

    The other really weird thing about them, is that they’ll post a link to a serious critique of their belief system or one of their fave doctors (like the Geiers), and there will be a flurry of emails saying how evil the person is for criticizing their friends or their belief, but no one speaks to the points made in the critique. Like there was this big snit fit over a post I made about Katie Wright Hildebrand. My blog included comments about the “science” they were using, and how Katie dear had been suckered by it all. The come-backs from the EoHam group included commentary by Erik Nanstiel that he had seen a photo of me and that I looked “dumb.” Basically, Lenny asked them not to post information from our blogs to their list. I’m sure it’s quite depressing for them to read the dismantling of their heroes.

    Speaking of looking dumb, Erik probably looks dumb when he’s sitting on his struggling daughter’s legs to give her another injection of the chemical castration drug, Lupron, prescribed by the Geiers.

    Did Lenny help expose the autism/mercury DAN! doc associate who is also a child molester? I don’t think so.

    In another post today, Lenny said that the NeuroDiverse were a small band of misanthropes… right this from the guy who is exploiting a horrible crime against children for a joke.

    I can’t think of anyone more misanthropic, nor can I think of someone who is a bigger misogynist than Lenny Schafer. EoHam and Lenny deserve each other.

  13. Woo Woo Child May 24, 2007 at 21:58 #

    While Lenny was taking his cheap shot, another EOH poster accused Steve Goodman of being part of a Goebbels/Nazi-inspired propoganda technique to deny the association of thimerosal and autism.

    It’s historically consistent that when a jew is so perniciously slurred, no one in their community is brave enough to speak up to denounce the hate. They even have someone with the last name of Krakow living there.

  14. notmercury May 24, 2007 at 23:05 #

    Ms. Clark said: “Lenny slams people with Asperger’s diagnoses as not being real autistics and anyone who argues with him he un-diagnoses by remote control and says we are merely insane.”

    So what about Teresa Binstock? Does Lenny think she’s autistic? I mean she’s one of the original authors of the stupid mercury hypothesis, Ghost writer to Jacqui “starving brains” McCandless, and self declared ‘Aspergerian’.

  15. alyric May 24, 2007 at 23:40 #

    How low can Lenny go? Hell of a long way apparently. Someone said this is sociologically interesting. I’d agree with that. What we have here is not unlike the situation of the park ranger who had to leave her job because of the abuse. In any real group type situation abuse always escalates because group type animals tend not to want to stick their heads above the parapet by saying ‘hey that’s going too far’, so it continues and gets worse.

    The EOH is exactly that group animal type situation, where no one says ‘hey that’s going too far’ because they’d get kicked out – and that doesn’t bear thinking about – these are my friends and fellow conspiracy theorists and so on. The saner elements there (are there any?) are too groupy and timid to raise a syllable in protest. So it gets worse and worse.

    Similarly, an autistic should not expect anyone to rise to their defence no matter how insane the bullying gets, because that’s not what groupy people do. There are ways of dealing with this but I note that no one has written about them. Not too surprising really – that would take confronting a few of the nastier realities about ‘normal’ socialisation and – see above- no one wants to stick their head above the parapet.

  16. Jeanette May 24, 2007 at 23:45 #

    Kevin,
    The cheap shots taken by the anti-ND crowd have increased alot lately.
    I believe this is happening because they are frightened.
    Imagine having to accept the fact their children will always have Autism….that would defeat them as being the wonderful parent’s they so think they are….
    Just today, on the AW forum, there was a somewhat cheap shot on a rather outspoken ND woman. Shame it did not work and ended up backfiring on the instigator-with all due RESPECT…..

    Jeanette

  17. editing the DSM May 24, 2007 at 23:50 #

    Lenny sez:

    _Aspergers is not a disability. Disability has a specific meaning. It does not mean having high functioning disadvantages. It means that without profound intervention and care, the individual will likely perish. Only a small handful of HF advocates require that their advocacy feeds off the disabled like the NDs do._

  18. William Smith May 25, 2007 at 00:21 #

    I think you are right, Jeanette. The evidentiary hearings in Omnibus Autism Proceedings (OAP) are due to begin in June.

    Considering all of their other civil suits have stalled in their tracks due to a lack of evidence, these proceedings are their last bastion of hope (for $$$$, anyway).

    If the petitioners’ attorneys fail to show cause, Krakow & Geier will just move on to another “great cause”, and they will discard the parents who believed in them by the wayside. That’s what bothers me.

  19. Green Oyster Cult May 25, 2007 at 01:02 #

    How long until David “George Milton” Kirby, steps out and away from Lenny Schafer and the couple of hundred Lennie Smalls.

  20. Joel Smith May 25, 2007 at 01:44 #

    Actually, Lenny later talked about how anyone without 24/7 support can’t be autistic. That means even that several people I know who don’t speak and are only in the beginning phases of facilitated communication, who need help bathing, eating, and otherwise taking care of the needs which “typical” people don’t have problems with must not really be autistic. They must be high functioning, and have “difficulties, but not disability.” (oh, and all of them, without exception, don’t think that autism is all bad – but they aren’t in a place where their parents are teaching them to hate autism, nor are they in a place where their disability is ignored as Lenny and crew might believe)

    Statements like this will cause even some of the supporters on his list to have problems, I think. After all, Lenny’s views of autism don’t match the DSM, ICD, any autism rating scale, or personal experience of parents.

  21. Joel Smith May 25, 2007 at 02:02 #

    Oh, and Lenny – put the answer on your EOH list to this (I know you or someone who knows you will see this and let you know about my challenge)…are the following people disabled (or were they disabled while they lived)?

    1) Steve Wonder

    2) Stephen Hawkings

    3) FDR

    4) Goya

    5) Beethoven

    After all, some of these people have/had employment and were, IMHO, pretty darn successful.

    I await your response Lenny – here or on your list – if you are man enough to respond, that is.

  22. anonimouse May 25, 2007 at 03:50 #

    Lenny Schafer has been a vile sycophant and Usenet troll for years, even before he became the clown prince of the autism movement. The sad thing is that people on EOH who will rail on you for even the slightest impropriety allow Schafer to go on his merry way with nary a hint of dissent.

  23. David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) May 25, 2007 at 15:33 #

    anonimouse: “The sad thing is that people on EOH who will rail on you for even the slightest impropriety allow Schafer to go on his merry way with nary a hint of dissent.”

    Show how bloody two-faced those idiots are, doesn’t it?!

  24. laurentius-rex May 25, 2007 at 21:18 #

    What is the sum of 10 and 6 this blog asks before I am allowed to post,

    I can answer that in mores ways than one unfortunately but I suppose I have to give in to convention (not that 16 is the correct answer in all contexts)

    Well what was I going to say before that?

    Oh yes, Terry Hall the ventriloquist died not so long back, so Lenny the Lion is no more (older folk in the UK may remember) http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article2441965.ece

    So we are stuck with Lenny the Liar instead. The guy is not really worth wasting time on.

    In my DVD I answer the disability question thus. Does anyone say that David Blunkett is not blind because he funtions as a cabinet minister, and what of Evelyn Glennie, a deaf musician of international calibre.

    Lenny just cannot see it can he?

    There is more than one definition of disability, notwithstanding the social model even as every State, every government, every agency has differing criteria.

    However I am disabled even if I were not autistic. Just as our Prime Minister in waiting is.

    Lenny does not only insult autistics, he insults all disabled people.

  25. Ms. Clark May 26, 2007 at 08:53 #

    Testing… I haven’t been able to comment on left brain/right brain since it got the summation spam filter thingy…

    Ahah! it’s works. Thanks, Kev.

  26. William Smith May 26, 2007 at 15:05 #

    I’d like to leave a comment.

    First, could someone tell me, what is the sum of 1 and 2? ;o)

  27. Kev May 26, 2007 at 17:19 #

    The sum of 1 and 2? Uhhh, mercury?

  28. notmercury May 27, 2007 at 01:47 #

    “The sum of 1 and 2? Uhhh, mercury?

    Can’t prove otherwise.

  29. Matt May 27, 2007 at 05:30 #

    Kev,

    for what it is worth: I first started reading all sides of this it about a year back. It was obvious even then that the EOHarm folks and their ilk had a low class level.

    Now, this specific pop-shot? “Delicious”? Rather self-congratulatory for what is, in reality, a pretty lame joke. Even if I were on that side of the fence it would come across as forced.

    Matt

  30. mike stanton May 28, 2007 at 22:41 #

    hi Kev,
    given that Yahoos in Gulliver’s Travels were nasty brutish creatures, who lacked reason, I would say that Lenny’s group is in the right place.

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