Paul Shattock gets his Biatch on

29 Nov

Alongside the error strewn Edelson piece that I already blogged about, Communication also ran a response from Paul Shattock that avoided Edelson’s mistakes of making factual errors about chelation and Tariq Nadama by simply going for a handbag wielding biatch attack more suited to Paris Hilton sulking about Nicole Ritchie wearing the same dress as her:

Although of no relevance, Michael Fitzpatrick’s views on biomedical approaches designed to
ameliorate some difficulties experienced by people with autism, and on me personally, are widely disseminated in newspaper and magazine articles and blogs. I remain unenthusiastic about encouraging
discussions of my personal inadequacies in Communication.

Miaow! Paul Shattock’s lip trembles with rage as he considers the lack of worth of Michael Fitzpatrick’s opinion.

Actually, I can’t recall on part of Mike’s book that espoused any views on Paul Shattock. Having just done a quick check, I see that he appears 3 times. Once in the Preface, once on page 71 and once on page 118. On _none_ of these occasions does Mike express any opinions on Paul Shattock.

He goes on:

Evidence of efficacy for many interventions from appropriate and scientifically valid research-based protocols is being published.

Hear we go again. ‘Is being published’. How long has the autism community been hearing this? Tell us _when_ Mr Shattock, or preferably, refer to supporting material that _has_ been published in a decent journal. And what ‘interventions’ are we talking about? Mr Shattock is utterly ambiguous.

Shattock then goes on to claim that the entire membership of NAS wants research into such things. I can assure him thats nowhere near true. I can think of several NAS members who want to *move on* from this never ending promise of science that is always ‘coming soon’ and yet never arriving.

Shattock goes on:

The American Academy of Paediatricians (AAP) is now actively investigating the usefulness of such interventions and members of the American Academy of Paediatric Gastroenterologists (AAPG) are currently collaborating with the Autism Society of America (ASA) and the Autism Research Institute (ARI) in investigating gastrointestinal issues.

I think Mr Shattock maybe overestimating the AAP’s keenness to stay chummy with ARI. I also can’t find any org called the American Academy of Paediatric Gastroenterologists so I can’t comment on how closely they’re working with ARI, or if they exist at all.

Shattock fumed on:

Professor Rutter, at the recent NAS conference, drew attention to the need to investigate environmental factors and mechanisms involved in triggering autism and to study dietary
treatments for autism.

Mike Stanton saw Rutter at that conference. He didn’t mention what Shattock reports but there’s nothing particularly earth shattering about the idea of environmental factors and mechanisms being involved with autism – except we all know what Shattock, one time warm-up man for Andrew Wakefield, really thinks these are, and for those there is no evidence and I also doubt Rutter has any truck with these ideas either.

Its an odd, petulant semi-rant from Shattock. I have no idea what use he thinks it will be to seemingly purposefully misinterpret Mike’s words. It should be easy to refute Mike – stop talking about studies that will be published and get on with publishing them. Science is the final arbiter of scientific ideas, not a mudsling from someone on the edge of scientific ideas regarding autism.

19 Responses to “Paul Shattock gets his Biatch on”

  1. Bryan November 29, 2008 at 13:49 #

    The American Academy of Pediatric Gastroenterologists is apparently a fabricated organization. I’m a pediatric gastroenterologist in the States and no such thing exists.

  2. Ringside Seat November 29, 2008 at 15:58 #

    “American Academy of Paediatric Gastroenterologists”? Incredible. Will this thing never end?

  3. Kev November 29, 2008 at 20:16 #

    Amazing – thank you Bryan. I’ll pass that on to Mike. Hopefully he’ll get some right of reply to these two unbelievably inaccurate responses.

  4. Paul Shattock December 7, 2008 at 01:47 #

    1) Apologies for getting the name of the association in the US wrong. Clearly this was an error in transcription on my part. I will do my best to get the correct title. I understood from the speakers at the USAAA conference, from where I obtained the information, that the consensus paper from the members of the consortium would be out by now but not so it seems.

    2) The piece in Communication was sent to me for comment a month before the book had been published so I could only comment upon the piece that appeared in Communication and my name did feature a few times. Disappointing that I did not make a bigger impact in the whole book though!

    3) Steve Edelson and I were permitted a total of 600 words between us. I think we all agree it was a pretty pointless exercise. Sorry for coming over as petulant – I thought the whole thing was pretty silly really. I thought of doing a John Nott and walking away but decided I would write something pretty anodyne instead.

    4) It was the editorial in Communication that suggested a forum on the topic and I was suggesting that I did not think it was such a good idea to discuss me personally.

    5) Mike F and I meet occasionally at meetings and we chat amiably. He is alwaye couteous and we share a few anecdotes about our sons. I respect him for being one of very few (3 I think) who disagree strongly with me and actually make efforts to find out what we are saying rather than what journalists and bloggers claim we believe.

    Being parents of men with autism, it is almost certain that we would agree on 90% of relevant material and interpretation in any case.

    6) Come on Kev,

    a) I did not claim that the entire membership of the NAS wants research into these areas.

    b) Rutter’s slides from the NAS conference were disseminated and the he did make those suggestions.

    c) The AAP issues a press statement on April 2nd 2008 to the effect that they were taking an interest in these approaches and sent delegates to the DAN conference. Honest!

    d) I do not know whether or not the MMR vaccine triggers Autism. I believe that there is a case to be answered and the crucial studies have yet to be performed. Until that time, I believe that parents should have the right to choose to separate the components if they wish. Hopefully, this would push vaccination rates up.

    Please believe that I did not curl my lip, or get annoyed or agitated in any way. I apologise for the serious factual error.

  5. Kev December 8, 2008 at 11:38 #

    Mr Shattock – will you be passing on your errors to Communication to publish? I’m not sure whether you’re saying you got the name of the org wrong or whether the org doesn’t exist.

    The piece that was published in Communication that you were asked to comment on was IIRC an extract from Mike’s book.

    Its my opinion you do claim that the entire membership of the NAS wants this research. You state:

    Sadly and contrary to the requests of the membership of the NAS…

    You don’t say ‘some of the…’.

    I’m aware of the AAP/Kurtz press release. I just think its implications are being overstated by yourself.

    Two Mike’s you know (and whom I trust) have told me you’re a decent guy Mr Shattock. I’m prepared to take their word for it. I just don’t think that you are aware of the full state of the anti-scientific stance taken by people like Edelson. His short piece contained shocking errors regarding the death of Tariq Nadama – errors you would expect the head of an org that recommends chelation amongst its protocols to know about. Its not good enough Mr Shattock.

  6. Prometheus December 8, 2008 at 20:37 #

    I’m curious how Mr. Shattock could believe that he simply got the name wrong when there isn’t a society, association or college of pediatric (US spelling) gastroenterology in existence in the US. Pediatric gastroenterology is a subspecialty of pediatrics and does not – currently – appear to have a sub-specialty organization in the US.

    I’d also have to say that Mr. Shattock’s interpretation of the relationship between the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and ARI is only accurate insofar as it is an accurate retelling of the amazing tale spun by Mr. Stan Kurtz. However, if you were to ask the AAP about their interest in the “biomedical” treatments espoused by ARI, they might have a different story to tell.

    The interest in investigating “environmental triggers” for autism and any possible dietary interventions is largely kept alive by the heroic efforts of people like Mr. Shattock. It should be allowed to die a dignified death, not propped up and paraded through the square like a re-animated corpse.

    Prometheus

  7. dr treg December 9, 2008 at 01:49 #

    It is important that incriminating environmental immunogens including dietary immunogens are continued to be sought. Autism is as with most diseases associated with abnormalities of genotypes, immunogenic responses to certain immunogens/auto-immunogens and dendrite abnormalities.
    There is no doubt that the irritability of celiac disease improves soon after exclusion of gluten from the diet – sometimes just a few days. Celiac disease is also associated with white matter M.R.I. brain abnormalities.
    Sometimes the discovery of the relevant immunogen is unexpected as it is so common e.g. the recent possible association of herpes simplex virus and Alzheimer`s disease.
    Any model of autism which does not include the immune system is incomplete.

  8. vernon December 9, 2008 at 04:42 #

    Any model of autism which does not include the immune system is incomplete.

    CDFE-Autism in the Amish and Old Order Mennonites?

  9. dr treg December 9, 2008 at 10:58 #

    Immunological activation e.g. miroglial activation is still being researched.This early study supports the contribution of the inflammatory response and pro-inflammatory molecules to the epileptogenicity of FCD.
    http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0165572806000063

  10. Paul Shattock December 28, 2008 at 01:53 #

    I am not a regular reader or contributor to this site so please excuse any delays in responses. The “American Academy” to which I referred is, in fact, the “North American Society” and I have been unable to ascertain the level of recognition of involvement of the society or whether it is just an initiative involving individual members.

    I am pretty sure that I recognise the “Two Mikes” referred to. I can confirm that I respect them as fellow seekers after the truth. Each of us does his best but probably disagree on about 5% of what must be done to help our own and other people’s children.

    I would add that I am in agreement with the comments about the immune system. I am told that the the nervous system, immune system and the guts (and skin) are derived from the same embryological tissues and employ the same biochemical systems so anything which causes aberrations in one system is liable to do the same in the others. We are beginning to appreciate that the levels likely to be required to disrupt the immune system are very much lower than those required to affect neural development and transmission but we were unaware of that 18 years ago when I wrote our first papers on ths subject.

    I don’t want to upset anyone here but I would appreciate concentration on the issues rather that deficiencies of the individuals involved.

    Let’s hope that 2009 provides us all with some answers.

    Paul Shattosk

  11. Ringside Seat December 28, 2008 at 11:01 #

    Unfortunately, Paul, the public is reasonably entitled to dwell on individuals: not so much their deficiencies, but their conduct.

    Your conduct, in my opinion, has been deplorable. Over a period of many years, you have repeatedly touted alleged scientific findings which have not been published, you have repeatedly purported to carry out scientific work for which you have no relevant qualifications or training, and you have repeatedly claimed that, notwithstanding the above, your baseless claims about vaccines, opioid peptides and the like, have been confirmed.

    In my view, you have behaved with extraordinary vanity and irresponsibility, to the public’s harm.

    I wonder what you say to this?

  12. Paulene Angela December 29, 2008 at 01:52 #

    Dear Mr Shattock,

    On behalf on the many parents here in Spain who have experienced, through their own eyes, radical improvements in their childrens development after following the GF/CF diet, thank you for your research.

    Even for those parents who have not found improvements after the implemention of the diet you have still helped towards the wake up call, the intelligent knowledge of the importance of nutrition, examining what we are intaking, not just trusting the typical labels on the box.

    We have become a society that is obsessed with outside appearance and ignore our interiors that are our energy source, our personal engine, how blind we have become and how scared to look outside the box.

    Wishing you and all the readers a wonderful New Year full of joy and laughs.

  13. Ivar T December 29, 2008 at 14:23 #

    Paulene Angela, as someone who has got his diagnosis of Asperger syndrome in Norway, where the idea of GF/CF diet for autistics derives from through Dr. Kalle Reichelt, and where the belief in it is held dogmatically in a lot of the autism community, I’ve had to think outside the box to see how dubious this idea infact is.

    A woman who advocated in behalf of GF/CF and who had received the results of what was believed to be detected opioid peptides that I had excreted, had on the basis of bad science, told my mother when I was thirteen years old, that I was addicted to milk as if it was a narcotic drug to me.

    Only five years later I’ve come to doubt their conclusions, after among other things seeing this study.

    Now I do no longer see any reason to be afraid of putting cheese on my pizzas again.

  14. Paulene Angela December 30, 2008 at 03:15 #

    Dear Ivan,

    Happy you looked outside the box and can now enjoy your cheese. Also thank you, that is a very interesting point, regarding the reintroduction of “GF/CF” foods at a later date, having no effect. I will have a chat with some of the othe other mothers to get some feedback.

    I can only say, as a mother through encounters and observations, that the vote for the GF/CF diet is really split 50/50 amoung all the autistic children I have come across over here in Southern Spain. Some parents are more than delighted with the results, there is no turning back for them, while others have seen no change and have stopped.

    I was always told by nutritionists to try the diet for 6 months, keeping a weekly record. There after make a valuation of notable change or typical milestone change.

    Many parents I know are keen to try this diet because it is drugs free, it offers a sign of hope, plus time is ticking away and the medical world is still at mystery.

    Wishing you a Happy New Year

  15. Paulene Angela December 30, 2008 at 03:19 #

    Correction …
    Dear Ivar T,
    I need to put my glasses on, I typed Dear Ivan.
    Regards,

  16. lacshmiybarra December 30, 2008 at 07:01 #

    Hey people, if for no other reason than you cannot trust what else might have been added to your casein and gluten (and soy) protein producst….you know like, Melamine, you should be thankful you were not ingesting something that could have destroyed your kidneys and given you intense pain from kidney stones.

    Remember all the body builders who developed kidney failure (and stones) and everyone thought they were ingesting too much protein? Things that SHOULD make you go hmmm….does not take a rocket scientist to figure out our food supply has been contaminated for some time.

  17. lacshmiybarra December 30, 2008 at 07:04 #

    Hey people, if for no other reason than you cannot trust what else might have been added to your casein and gluten (and soy) protein products….such as Melamine, you should be thankful you were not ingesting something that could have destroyed your kidneys and/or given you intense pain from kidney stones.

    Remember all the body builders who developed kidney failure (and stones) and everyone thought they were ingesting too much protein? Things that SHOULD make you go hmmm….does not take a rocket scientist to figure out our food supply has been contaminated for some time. Just because something was manufactured in Europe or the USA, do not think for a minute the ingredients did not come from CHINA. It is has been found in several foods in the USA. Will never see that on the big screen though. Might scare us enough to resist buying all our processed food.

  18. Sam Fearon September 7, 2009 at 16:14 #

    As someone with a deeply personal interest in autism I’d like someone to answer a few questions for me:

    It seems that the only objection to Mr Shattock’s work is that it has yet to be published! Can anyone tell me what the basis is for the quite personal attacks on him as an individual? What is it specifically about his work which is causing such resentment?

    My initial feeling is that this must be some sort of MMR fan-club. Please DO answer these questions as I need some answers.

    • Sullivan September 7, 2009 at 21:51 #

      Sam Fearon,

      if your take away from this is that the only objection to Mr. Shattock’s work is that it “has yet to be published”, I submit to you that you have not made a critical read of this post or any of the others made about Mr. Shattock. Your “question” reads to me as more of a commentary, especially when you add the “MMR fan-club” statement.

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