On a Facebook page entitled ‘Fan photos from Age of Autism‘ you will find this (click for bigger):
Lets not kid around here, this is a direct threat of violence towards people carrying ‘syringes’ i.e. people who might want to vaccinate children. I have no idea if Jenny McCarthy has any knowledge of this photo but its clear from the title ‘fan photos _from_ the Age of Autism, that Age of Autism clearly do.
Lets also be clear about the utterly anti-vaccine message of this image. The editors continually describe themselves as ‘pro-vaccine safety’. Let me suggest to them that creating a picture of Jenny McCarthy threatening people carrying syringes in a medical setting isn’t pro-vaccine safety. Its anti-vaccine pure and simple.
Left Brain Right Brain 
Stick to whats bothering you all,the story by John Stone
http://www.ageofautism.com/
BMJ Admits Competing Commercial Interests in Wakefield Attacks Warranted Disclosure
BMJ editor admits that they should have disclosed competing commercial interests in Wakefield attack
By John Stone
British Medical Journal’s editor has been forced into an embarrassing admission that the journal should have disclosed connections with MMR manufacturers Merck and GSK when publishing attacks on the integrity of Andrew Wakefield in January
oh yay… Age of Arse-holes is at it again.
*yawn*
I agree David,such pictures are only shocking.if you have never seen any of the other shocking entries at AoA.It’s just getting old now
What next? Gunsights placed on a map of vaccine research labs?
“Stick to whats bothering you all,the story by John Stone”
Until you mentioned it, I doubt any person here was aware of John Stone’s selective reporting and incorrectly used article title.
His concerns were pretty comprehensivly addressed by the response of Fiona Godlee that he links to. Why he should want to link to a response that fully addresses his concerns is utterly incomprehensible, but he does it anyway.
It’s a bit weak-sauce to declare the admission ’embarrasing’ when it actually appears to be of a relativly reasonable and mild tone compared to the original posts it was addressing and the catatrophising and black-and-white tone of John Stone’s article.
Discovering that a sub-section of a sub-group member receives some of its funding from a non-commercial arm isn’t really the smoking gun that some people seem to think it is.
The only thing wrong with Godlee’s response is that she appears to have assumed the reactions would have been as reasonable as her response. A glance over at some of the reactions shows that some people have clearly taken with one idea and are sticking to it no matter what.
Dedj,
Throught the looking glass ,is it empty here have a fill up..this is the lies from the BMJ as John puts it below..and then the admission from Godlee above .
Pull the other one it has a vaccine on it..!!!
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/03/british-medical-journal-fails-to-acknowledge-its-own-commercial-conflicts.html
The BMJ is part free and notably left its venomous and manifold attacks on the integrity of Andrew Wakefield as open access. They failed, however, not only to acknowledge their advertising but also the fact that their learning division is in partnership with MMR vaccine manufacturer Merck (as pointed out by Martin J Walker in Age of Autism and elsewhere HERE ) and that another MMR manufacturer, GSK, as well as Merck helps fund their annual awards.
It is obviously highly misleading for BMJ to affect concern for bias while failing to acknowledge its own conflicts of this sort. Yet another moral conundrum that journal’s editor, Fiona Godlee, has failed to solve.
This is the text of the unpublished letter, submitted 3 March:-
Roger… I’m not even shocked by any of that lot’s antics any more. They’ve become that predictable that nothing they do shocks me. Which is pretty bad on their part, for sure.
“Until you mentioned it, I doubt any person here was aware of John Stone’s selective reporting and incorrectly used article title.”
Indeed, Sharon… I had no clue, nor was I bothered who it was doing the stuff. I didn’t even notice AWOL/OQF’s drivel at the head of this comment section … I wonder what that says about the likes of AWOL/OQF!
Just to point out – I’m not Sharon.
But anyway. The BMJ does not have a learning division, the BMJ Group, of which the BMJ is a division, does. The partnership is with BMJ Learning, not the BMJ.
Even so, Godlee has bent over backwards to be accomodating, yet she has been repaid by accusations and gross misrepresentation of the severity of the purported conflicts of interest, as well as sarcastic timewasters.
To call the BMJ’s actions ‘highly misleading’ when they in fact declared the purported conflicts of interest when they were pointed out to them (second hand, in a medium that may not have editorial monitoring) is itself highly misleading.
It is entirely likely that Godlees admission was motivated by a desire to placate the time-wasters rather than a actual serious admissal of error.
Yes Dedj,
diffrent cries when you talk abour Dr Wakefield having conflicts ,when in fact he has had none the only conflicts is Brian Deer trying to get his pen to write lies when it dosent want to.
Of course God -less ,Godlee, wouldnt tell another lie on the back of one ?thats just plain digging the hole deeper when you have to come out its a lot harder
God-less Godlee did the it right try to ignore it until it goes away,only problem this one isn`t going away neither are the autistic kids killed and maimed by the vaccines.
David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.
Have a good day at the sugery how many babies kids and adults did you kill today??
lol SHARON/OQF/AWOL ,J,AOA,G.R,S.M.
Sorry Dedj… was trying to read over top of glasses here and got the wrong name for the quote…. begging your pardon!
“The only thing wrong with Godlee’s response is that she appears to have assumed the reactions would have been as reasonable as her response. A glance over at some of the reactions shows that some people have clearly taken with one idea and are sticking to it no matter what.”
I suspect Godlee knew what the responses would be like.
David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.
Have a good day at the sugery how many babies kids and adults did you kill today??
LOLWHUT? Did you…yeah you did. wow. Way to be juvenile. Doesn’t matter what you say anyway since you’re listing AoA as a source.
Oh well
HATERS GONNA HATE RITE DR.ANDREW?
“Yes Dedj,
diffrent cries when you talk abour Dr Wakefield having conflicts ”
Not really, Wakefields COI’s were multiple, severe, personal, extensive and direct. He also engaged in an astonishing lack of comprehension and/or a deliberate use of semantics to avoid admissal when he was challenged about them in the BMJ, by Deer and at the GMC.
Not really the either/or situation people are trying to make it out as.
Yes, the problem is that some people really aren’t going away.
Just as I reported previously Dedj , your confirming its only a conflict when Dr Wakefield is in the sentence never mind proving any of the alleged conflicts ?that would be asking just to much from Deer. Of course Brian could come in from his self-imposed gagging order that won’t last forever anyway, and explain whether he knew of the rule bending by God-less God-lee who tells no fibs?.
self imposed and give us your views Brian if not it’s a slam-dunk
to Stone.
Please do not let the ArguerWithOutLogic derail this thread. It may be noted the crucial bit in the above article is that AoA is advocating violence. Which all the more they should be ignored, and never be considered the “voice of parents of children with autism.”
“Please do not let the ArguerWithOutLogic derail this thread. ”
It was a much better troll than is his/her usual style. Once again, LBRB is used to advertise for AoA. Pretty blatant “I didn’t read what you posted, I just want everyone to talk about Brian Deer again.”
I would be more worried about McCarthy accidently self-injuring via an attempt to dual-wield pistols. Weak-sauce and a wasted attempt at humor.
Pic of gun-wielding Jenny McCarthy now gone from FB, with this explanation:
Age of Autism
I apologize for a photo posted without moderator approval that included gun violence. We don’t condone, it was posted by a well meaning person who may not have had the same perspective as we moderators. Kim
_
But, but, but. . . Only certain people can post profile photos to AoA. So, they let someone with a different “perspective” post?
Broken Link:
Well, the moderator of the AgeofAutism blog (I don’t do Facebook, so I don’t know if it the same moderator as the referenced FB page) seems to advocate violence. She heavily moderates the comments (to the point at least three blogs were created to post the banned comments), but seems to allow several comments from users who advocate violence. I know that has been noted several times on the Respectful Insolence blog, but I cannot find the articles since I have not been able to access ScienceBlogs since Friday morning.
A seriously sleep-deprived wanker said:
“David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.
Have a good day at the sugery how many babies kids and adults did you kill today??”
First… I’m not a medic.
Second… anyone who has even one eye in his/her head could tell that.
Third… I therefore do not have a surgery.
Fourth… I don’t kill people.
How much of my brain would have to be removed for me to become as intelligent as AWOL/OQF?
Don’t answer … rhetorical question!*
* this bit for AWOL/OQF… everybody else would get that fact without being told.
Nightstorm: “HATERS GONNA HATE RITE DR.ANDREW?”
I’m not a doctor of anything. Not sure I really want to be … all that expense for very little improvement in employability. But yeh – AWOL/OQF really is being … well, juvenile’s nicer than my idea!
@Chris, do you mean you missed Dr Jay admitting he was wrong about the Wakefield study?
Um. This is kinda benign, no? Haha, I mean lets be the side with some sense that does not involve itself with petty accusations. The photo isn’t even all that shocking, it’s not particularly insulting given that this group does NOT want to vaccinate. If you just want to point out the obvious (to everyone) that these groups are NOT pro-vaccine safety but instead anti-vaccine, I think you should probably stick to that instead of hyperbole about Age of Autism making violent threats.
Sharon:
I did see it. I can read the postings with the google cache, but usually a day or so later if it caches it. Some pages are only infrequently cached, so I have not been able to see what the philosopher sadmar had to say on an earlier posting. Here is the latest. It has been very annoying.
Woof woof!
Without risking being called a troll ,I just thought to show a picture of Jenny with two guns blazing was probably just fine, at least if a bullet hits you it might miss a vital organ if a vaccine gets injected into you it doesn’t miss any of our vital organs aptly named “shots” ..your shot and buried, if you have a vaccine instantly or over time it has your number in it, your totalled.
Hiliman admits that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU
Why does the truth annoy you lot so much?? is it because its true??
“your confirming its only a conflict when Dr Wakefield is in the sentence never mind proving any of the alleged conflicts ?”
Nope, never said anything remotely close to this.
No idea where you got it from.
Doesn’t match what I wrote at all.
If you’re not going to bother to even try, then don’t expect me to.
“Of course Brian could come in from his self-imposed gagging order that won’t last forever anyway,”
Brian has certainly not been silent, and has made several posts on this site and others.
AWOL – you’re on your last warning. Here’s a list of stuff for you not to do if you want to remain active here:
1) Trolling for comments
2) Derailing threads
3) Calling people out
4) Accusing people of murder
5) Do I need to go on?
I realise you stopped looking for ‘the truth’ some time ago as you believe you’ve found it, in that you remind me of something Oscar Wilde said: ‘I like to do all the talking myself. It saves time and prevents arguments.’ thats you to a ‘T’. Spurious talking points and random repitition. It is getting _very_ old, _very_ quickly.
Wandering into this late… I think it was a major overreaction to call this a “direct threat of violence”. By any reasonable appraisal, this is nothing more or less than fantasy, and even in the fantasy’s assumed context, what’s portrayed is a warning backed by force, not an “attack” as such. Plus, those are awfully big guns for anyone to be firing one-handed.
I have thought a bit about “fantasy violence” since the Giffords shooting in my state. Among my immediate thoughts were that, if the shooter had used information I have published in the context of fiction, Rep. Giffords would probably not have survived. After reflection, I think the main thing to be discerning about is whether something would be feasible for an ordinary person to attempt. For example, Carlos Wrzniewski swinging a rock hammer could be imitated by someone with a regular hammer; an exotrooper swinging a crank shaft as a mace, not so much.
ummm, just getting up the gumption to ask:
Does Jenny really have a Puzzle Ribbon tattooed around her belly button?
AWOL sez:
Maybe it’s the lateness of the hour and the fact that MS Word just blew up on me, but this mixed metaphor struck me as absolutely hilarious. (Shades of Pip and Jane Baker’s dialog in the rather unfortunate “Time and the Rani”.)
I don’t think so McD. To me. this looks like they took a picture from a videogame and photoshopped her head onto it.
Calli Arcale,
Get that did you–hope for you yet..keep taking the meds..
I thought so too, Julian, except that puzzle ribbon tattoo is a pretty good job for a casual photoshopper. Someone went to a lot of trouble to make up the image. Very bad taste to put Evan into it as well. His Mom may have chosen to be a spokesbunny, but he has not made that choice for himself.