_An open letter to Generation Rescue, NAA, SafeMinds, ASA, A-CHAMP, DAN et al._
I’ve had enough.
If I might be permitted to make a few assumptions I believe its accurate to say that _we’ve_ had enough. Who are we?
We’re parents like you. However, unlike you, the self-styled ‘autism community’, we are also autistic people. We are also scientists. We are also professionals working in the field of autism. We represent groups of people that you never can and never will. We are fundamentally different in attitude from you and _we have had enough._
Enough of the lies. Enough of the misrepresentation. Enough of this media circus you are turning autism into.
_You lie._ When the NAA published its scurrilous attack on Paul Shattuck it revealed the depth of its desperation. By wilfully and deliberately *lying* about the ‘Merck’ connection, you revealed yourselves as people willing to do anything and everything to blacken the name of those who simply disagree with you.
When you allege conflicts of interest that amount to absolutely nothing – _and when they know this to be the case_ – then you again reveal yourselves as tawdry and grubby dirt diggers, desperate to besmirch people. The irony of your president having an established and non impartial financial connection to David Kirby and your chairperson having been in the pay of lawyers litigating the thiomersal connection is immense. It boggles both the mind and any ordinary persons sense of common decency. At the absolute least you owe Paul Shattuck an apology.
_You mislead_ . When Generation Rescue _continue_ to state baldly that autism and mercury poisoning are interchangeable – that one is the other and that is all that autism is, it is obvious that that organisation is comprised of absolutist zealots who care nothing for reality, science or truth – all of which are concepts that stand in direct opposition to your beliefs. When you ignore the reality that there is likely to have been _no epidemic of autism_ and yet you continue to use falsely inflated statistics like a 6000% increase in autism _and when *you know* this increase is down to better diagnosis, widening criteria and the fact that its only in the last 15 years or so that autism has been counted separately to other developmental ‘disorders’_ then you move beyond the bounds of simply misleading, you move beyond the bounds of simple innocent ignorance and enter the area of wilful, deliberate manipulation.
When you resort to buying and placing adverts that _you know_ are misleading and with which _you know_ the people you cite do not agree, when you resort to employing the services of media manipulators like Fenton Communications to dress up your spin for you then you have left simple campaigning behind and entered the realm of deliberately misleading, exaggerating and falsifying.
When Generation Rescue employ the services of men like John Best Junior to enter the homes of families then you know something is badly awry with the morals and ethics behind this organisation. These are the words of a Generation Rescue Rescue Angel:
Some “brilliant” goofball coined the term “Homophobia” in a pathetic attempt to bring some small measure of respectability to a perversion. Fortunately for me, I grew up in an era when people were not subjected to public acceptance of sexual perversion. I never “stomped” a queer and I don’t approve of that behavior. I also don’t want to have to hear about this nonsense portrayed as anything near normalcy.
The scientists you quote range from respectable to quacks. You misrepresent the nature of the respectable science and hype the quacks as credible scientists. When your science is conducted by men censured by government and peers (the Geiers) or is conducted by men who behave very curiously such as pre-registering patents that back up future research, source subjects for studies that are undergoing litigation or allegedly financially benefit from these associations (Wakefield) or who refer to autistic children as ‘mad’ (Boyd Haley) or ‘train wrecks’ (Rick Rollens/MIND) or who attempt to make their science relevant _to autism_ where it is clearly not (Hornig, Burbacher, Deth, Bernard) then you have a serious credibility problem.
But none of this – none of it – would matter at all, except for one thing (or several things). You call yourselves the ‘autism community’. You present your manipulations as fact. You fail to understand the good science and twist the bad science to fit your agenda. You rely on people such as David Kirby – a man who is demonstrably dishonest and a man like RFK Jr who invents conspiracies where none exist. These are the people who shape your policy and guide your information – David Kirby, Dom Imus, RFK Jr, Dan Olmsted. Journalists, chat show hosts and a wannabe politico.
Enough is enough. I’ve had it. Up until now, we’ve contented ourselves with correcting your ignorance and dishonesty in blogs, forums and chat rooms. Now we will be finding ways to extend ourselves. Wherever you are quoted, we will follow up. We will make sure that people know the sort of spin you employ, the sort of manipulation you attempt and the sort of people who are aligned to your cause. Because of you, vaccine uptake is dropping. Because of this, epidemics are breaking and people are dying. Because of you the field of autism research is being turned, into the words of Lisa Randall, into a ‘a vipers nest’ where scientists are more and more loth to get involved. Who can blame them when the sort of shameful behaviour in evidence on the Evidence of Harm email list comes to the fore? Parents hassling and abusing people like Paul Shattuck, despite his clear request for them to cease and desist. Parents making alleged threats of property violence against Paul Offit.
Because of you, the field of autism research is in extreme danger of sinking into a dark age. The gains that autistic people themselves have fought for over the last few years are slipping away into a _real_ abyss of ignorance and stigma. This must be stopped. _You_ have to be stopped.
This is about dignity. Its about respect. You have none and you are in the process of taking ours away. We will fight for it. For ourselves, for our children, for our siblings, for the good of diversity and to attack stagnation we will fight.
Get ready.
Left Brain Right Brain 
Does anyone remember what happened in Nigeria 2 years ago? Some imans claimed the WHO polio vaccine was spreading AIDS or designed to make girls infertile. Vaccinations dropped, huge epidemic resulted. They now get their vaccine from another Islamic country, vaccination rates are up, epidemic is over. WHO had planned to eliminate polio, like smallpox, by this time.
I think much of the altie stuff is a sign of our excess wealth. Haven’t seen Chiropractor’s without Borders going into poor areas to cure sublexions among the starving masses.
Ruth: Haven’t seen Chiropractor’s without Borders going into poor areas to cure sublexions among the starving masses.
Funniest thing I’ve read all week!
“David, in one way or another, almost all disease has a genetic basis”
Prometheus, I don’t disagree with that statement.
When I made my comment regarding autistic children being sick compared to controls I was referring to some of the abstracts published in IMFAR. Scientists are finding that autistic children have immune disfunctions, inflammation & oxidative stress, to name a few, that are not present even in their neurotypical siblings. At least some of these scientists believe these abnormalities may play a role in the etiology of ASD’s. Obviously that doesn’t make it so but it’s certainly plausible and warrants more investigation.
And I agree with you that there are likely many causes to the disorder.
“Personally, I think that history is going to look back on this nonsense and rank it with the Salem Witch Hunts and Cargo Cult as a tragic case of irrational “group-thinkâ€.”
You may be right but I disagree. Take MMR for example. The study by Krigsman has found the measles virus in the guts of autistic children. I’m sure that most of you never would have thought Wakefield would be proven correct. When I say proven correct I’m not referring to the MMR causing autism, although it may yet be proven to cause it in some children. I’m referring to the measles connection with the gut disorders commonly found in autistic children.
DH: Firstly, it’s not just thimerosal.
Clone: “Right, what else is it?”
I’m referring to the synergistic effect of vaccine ingredients & vaccine preservatives. For example, there was a study in Canada that recently found the aluminum in vaccines to be extremely toxic to cells and there have been multiple studies illustrating the toxic properties of thimerosal on cells. So what happens when we inject aluminum AND thimerosal into babies?
DH: Take MMR for example. The study by Krigsman has found the measles virus in the guts of autistic children. I’m sure that most of you never would have thought Wakefield would be proven correct.
Krigsman hasn’t found the measles virus, it’s possible he has found evidence of a virus, but not the actual virus. If it is really the measles virus then they would be able to use the biopsy tissue samples to infect vero cells in culture. Wakefield has not been proven correct.
One has to wonder why they continue to use the one assay that yields a positive result. Why not apply other techniques the way the two groups did in the PBMC studies? Why not share samples with other labs with different methods?
Yeah, I believe Dr. Krigsman found measles virus. It certainly wouldn’t have anything to do with him hitching his wagon to Wakefield and Thoughtful House.
JBJr’s really crying now! LoL
I’ve definitely fucked him right off… made him look like a paranoid idiot. And he doesn’t like it.
*Tough titty, JBJr. You ask for ridicule, you’ll get it. Lots of it.*
Kev wrote:
“No, what you need to be concerned about is that nobody on here thought you’d made a mistake : we were all fairly sure that you would hold a belief like that”.
– Wow, you guys are dumber than I thought 🙂
Off-task and topic (apologies Kev),
The March CDDS data are out. Slight increase in “new cases” since last quarter.
Dollars to donuts this will get blamed on flu shots.
Sue M. “I’m one of the more *educated* people”
Really? Do tell.
hollywoodjaded wrote:
“Sue M. “I’m one of the more educated peopleâ€
“Really? Do tell”.
– Hollywood, please tell me that you understood that I was incorporating Joseph’s comment into my own. It was sort of tongue-in-cheek comment. Joseph had written:
“Among more educated people it was a well known fact that the earth was espherical”.
You got that, right?
I don’t think you’re tongue quite hit your cheek Sue.
Thanks, Jonathan.
http://www.dds.ca.gov/FactsStats/quarterly.cfm
_”Wow, you guys are dumber than I thought”_
OK, game over. Sue made me laugh.
Sue roundly overestimates those who flatly under estiimate her.
“Dollars to donuts this will get blamed on flu shots.”
Which would be silly, since:
A.) the inclusion of flu shots to the CDC’s schedule for kids 6-23 was only a recommendation and only happened a couple of years ago
B.) flu shots aren’t required for daycare or school entry so uptake is still nominal
C.) a fairly substantial percentage of children who got flu shots under the VFC program would’ve gotten thim-free shots because that’s all most states were supplied with
If I see even one press release claiming flu shots with thimerosal are the reason for the uptick in CDDS cases, it will seal my long-believed position that these groups are not just misinformed or true believers, but deliberately dishonest.
Mouse wrote:
“If I see even one press release claiming flu shots with thimerosal are the reason for the uptick in CDDS cases…”
– Well, certainly, you will have no one to blame but the CDC themselves (talk about dishonest). If they had done the right and morally ethical thing back in 1999/2000, then we wouldn’t even being talking about thimerosal containing flu shots, now would we? No one to blame but the pro poison pushers.
but would the pro poison pushers preferentially press their pernicious products on the public via pediatric physician-politicians?
Bart wrote:
“but would the pro poison pushers preferentially press their pernicious products on the public via pediatric physician-politicians”?
– Probably…
Poppycock! I predict the President’s political people probably protect potential partisan panderers from prosecution.
Par per paranoid palomino playing pugilistic pediatric punisher’s Ping putter.
methinks sue has plane-ly a problem with her hemispheres, prob’ly the parietal globe, uh, lobe
you guys took all the good “p” words.
sue says we’re silly. better silly that suckers, sue. (geiers, buttar) better silly than surly (john best jr, rescue angel). better silly that scurilous (national autism association). better silly that psycho (whale.to). better silly than antivax and sterile from mumps (can attack women’s ovaries, too). better silly than antivax (can’t walk from polio).
better silly than dead (from diptheria, measles, tetanus, flu).
I have never known anyone so stubbornly stupid as JBJr
Pretty strong autie trait there.
I’m just saying.
“– Dad, this kind of analogy is only fun AFTER we know the truth.”
Sue (pro infectious disease pusher), regardless of your bungling the flat earth typo, or subsequent misinterpretation of your follow-up, you failed to see the point in those historical analogies. Go back and look at some: geocentrism, planetary motion, germ theory, etc. It’s not a question of whether a minority or majority was right, or who mocks whom. It’s about, “where did the truth come from?”. It came from science, not bleevers and conspiracies.
As for “knowing” the truth, you might never be able to “know”.
You’s a bleever.
Prometheus said,
It appears that David H is a bit unclear on the whole concept of genetics. David, in one way or another, almost all disease has a genetic basis. You get sick from “the flu� Thank your genes – you don’t have a gene for resistance. Heart attack? Thank your genes there, too. Got AIDS? You wouldn’t if you were homozygous for a CCR deletion mutation. Even some trauma may be due to genes for risk-taking and aggression.
What if autism is a genetic predisposition? A genetic predisposition for the inability to be able to detoxify? A genetic predisposition to be able to detoxify toxic oxidized heavy metals like mercury, arsenic, and lead? And maybe when you remove them – you remove the autism but the genetic predisposition will still exist and these geneticly predisposed individuals will need to be careful their entire lives when it comes to toxicity? What if?
“What if autism is a genetic predisposition? A genetic predisposition for the inability to be able to detoxify? A genetic predisposition to be able to detoxify toxic oxidized heavy metals like mercury, arsenic, and lead?”
If that were the case, wouldn’t you expect to find that persons with autism have higher levels of said metals than non-autistic peers in real, replicable research?
Another update,
Dr. King on EoHarm mentioned that there is no incidence rate for the CDDS numbers adjusted for population change. He is right. I resolved that this evening.
So, what does adjsuting for this do to trend and general shape of the graph?
Answer: Just shy of nothing.
“If that were the case, wouldn’t you expect to find that persons with autism have higher levels of said metals than non-autistic peers in real, replicable research?”
Call the research “real” or whatever you want to – they do“have higher levels of said metals” than non-autistic peers.
KC: I’m afraid that they don’t. Have a read of the study abstract entitled: _”A STUDY OF MERCURY LEVELS IN YOUNG CHILDREN WITH AUTISM USING LABORATORY ANALYSIS OF HAIR SAMPLES”_ .
Something else about the ‘poor excretor’ theory: if autistic people are such bad excretors why aren’t there lots of reported acute mercury poisoning deaths amongst autistic people? Mercury is fatal at high enough levels. If they are such bad excretors then one would expect acute mercury poisoning to be a common cause of death amongst autistic people.
“Call the research “real†or whatever you want to – they do“have higher levels of said metals†than non-autistic peers.”
Any real, peer-reviewed, replicable research you can share, or is that simply a belief/assertion?
Are you a bleever too KC?
ohya, kc’s a bleever. him’s a faithful buttar bleever.
if the autistics couldn’t excrete metals they’d have symptoms of heavy metal poisoning which autistic don’t have. narrowing of the visual field, peripheral nerve damage, kidney damage. not features of autism. autistics aren’t poor excreters of mercury. they’ve never been shown to be. not even in the vaunted holmes study.
so is jbjr’s kid indistinguishable now after all these months of cures? how about the handley boy? how about kc’s boy? lenny’s? blaxill’s girl? bernard’s young man? redwood’s boy? krakow’s child? iverson’s son? rollens’ russel? how is it that the vast majority of parents with autistic kids never get them cured even after expensive years of miracle cures. handley’s boy is due to be normal by now isn’t he? that dmps cream is supposed to make a toddler indistinguishably normal in 2 years at the most. and there was that massive leap forward after a day or two of b12 nose spritz. these cured kids are hard to come by.
JBJr’s Blog says:
“What sane parent rants against other parents and scientists who help children?”
Erm… lets think… maybe YOU JBJr.
“The saddest part of this insanity is that the autistic people who have been suckered by Neurodiversity don’t realize that Neurodiversity is just a sham that exists to help protect the companies who caused their conditions.”
Yet neurodiversity wasn’t the product of corporate propoganda. It was first coined by Judy Singer in an essay wrote in 1996/7 (presented the following year).
GOD! Where do these people get their facts from?
“On first hearing of Neurodiversity, I laughed at the stupidity of it. Could anyone truly be this dumb?”
I guess JBJr’s Nerodivergance is mental retardation. No?
Perhapes not I just sounds that way from what he’s saying.
The idea that Neurodiversity is non-existant makes abousutly NO SENSE. If there was no such thing as nero diversity than how can you acount for all the other non-autistic nerological disorders (ceripal palsy, downs etc.)?
How could you acount for the fact that everyone’s brains have silighty different configurations?
“I can only hope that those comprising the bottom 10% on the intelligence scale who make up Neurodiversity will learn from those of us at the other end of the scale who have recognized the lies told to us by the criminals who harmed our babies.”
Funny he should say something like that because 10% is the number of poeple at the highest end of the scale who are diaagnosied with aspergers. Now imagine just how many are not just aspergers but HFA (higher functioning) and how many more are undiagnoised.
The figures actually start shooting up.
“But, character assassination is one of those things you learn how to excel at when you enroll in Neurodiverse Writing 101.”
Funny, considering the repsponse curebies could think of when Ms. Dawson wrote misbehaving behaviorists was that she was not autistic. She is autistic> Though that is not the point.
The first response from curebies was character assassination. That is something we rarely do.(I can’t speak for everyone of course)
However anti-merc’s maybe be confusing what we are doing.
We don’t assassinate characters we simply point out the facts: That these people are profitering of badly condunducted studies (or no studies at all).
Clone,
“Krigsman hasn’t found the measles virus, it’s possible he has found evidence of a virus, but not the actual virus.”
How exactly do you know this? Your statement contradicts what is said in the abstract.
“If it is really the measles virus then they would be able to use the biopsy tissue samples to infect vero cells in culture.”
So is that the only way to prove the existence of the measles virus? What’s wrong with verifying it by DNA sequence?
“Wakefield has not been proven correct.”
No offense Clone, but at this point I’m inclined to believe the Krigsman study. You would need to back up your statements to be taken seriously.
Anonimouse,
“Yeah, I believe Dr. Krigsman found measles virus. It certainly wouldn’t have anything to do with him hitching his wagon to Wakefield and Thoughtful House.”
So you’re saying Krigsman somehow manipulated the study putting his career and reputation at risk because he “hitched his wagon to Wakefield?” Interesting theory.
DH: How exactly do you know this? Your statement contradicts what is said in the abstract
I know this because I’ve read nearly everything published on the subject and the only ones claiming detection of the virus are using the same F amplicon PCR primer that is picking up something that seems to match a tiny little snippet of the measles genome.
No offense Clone, but at this point I’m inclined to believe the Krigsman study.
No offense and no surprise. Bleev on.
You would need to back up your statements to be taken seriously.
Then don’t take me seriously, it’s all jake by me. Let us know when you can back up your assertions, K?
John also says:
“While some Asperger’s people claim high IQ’s and seem to do well in areas that only require ROTE learning, they are sorely lacking in the ability put two and two together.”
4
I’m aspie.
John do you know what 4 king makes?
Jennifer, we can only hope that you’re right about the Mercury/chelation theory being on the downswing. How long ago was it that ‘Intelligent Design’ was still a hot topic? Well, it doesn’t appear to be debated anymore, thank God. 😉 I’m sure that a few people still cling to it, but we don’t have to listen to them anymore, hopefully this will soon be the case with these “Mercury parents”.
Great post Kev, Sir Winston Churchill could hardly have said it better.
If only we had a one-eyed kitten corpse to display in the thimerosoleum!
Kevin C – Now, that’s pretty interesting – some researchers have found high mercury levels, some have found low levels (e.g. Holmes, Blaxill and Haley) and most researchers have found no difference from the general (i.e. non-autistic) population.
Unfortunately, the “average” result is that the mercury levels of autistic children is no higher or lower than their no-autistic peers.
David H – I can’t find the Krigsman study – where was it published?
Also, both Kevin C and David H need to be more careful about using the issue that is in question to “prove” their points. It remains to be seen if autistic children actually have “heavy metal toxicity”, so it would be a bit premature to claim that as data supporting your position.
Finally, David H makes an all too common error of confusing “associated with” and “causes” or “caused by”. It may be that autism is a complex genetic disorder that also (in some cases) causes immune dysfunction. Having said that, I think it is important to note that studies are very mixed on this issue – some find immune problems associated with autism, but many others do not.
Again, it is not a valid to use an issue in question to “prove” your point.
Prometheus
Kevin C – Now, that’s pretty interesting – some researchers have found high mercury levels, some have found low levels (e.g. Holmes, Blaxill and Haley) and most researchers have found no difference from the general (i.e. non-autistic) population.
Unfortunately, the “average” result is that the mercury levels of autistic children is no higher or lower than their no-autistic peers.
David H – I can’t find the Krigsman study – where was it published?
Also, both Kevin C and David H need to be more careful about using the issue that is in question to “prove” their points. It remains to be seen if autistic children actually have “heavy metal toxicity”, so it would be a bit premature to claim that as data supporting your position.
Finally, David H makes an all too common error of confusing “associated with” and “causes” or “caused by”. It may be that autism is a complex genetic disorder that also (in some cases) causes immune dysfunction. Having said that, I think it is important to note that studies are very mixed on this issue – some find immune problems associated with autism, but many others do not.
Again, it is not a valid to use an issue in question to “prove” your point.
Prometheus
Prometheus said “David H – I can’t find the Krigsman study – where was it published?”
Interesting… I asked the same thing, even to the point of showing the http://www.pubmed.gov searches I used. The only response I got was a change of subject.
I think the answer is the Krigsman has NOT published the study, and is only feeding bits and pieces to groups like DAN! and Safeminds.
Oh gee, let me guess …I wonder who the pseudonym “on oni moose” might really be?
Grow up Camille!
You bet I’m a Dr. Buttar “bleever”. I am seeing the results and it’s incredible!
Camille asked “so is jbjr’s kid indistinguishable now after all these months of cures? how about the handley boy? how about kc’s boy?”
I can only speak for my son and I would say that he’s almost there. I would put up his last 9 months of progress against any non-biomedical treated 4 year old autistic child’s 9 months of progress.
We probably have another 6 months to go but his progress in the last 30 days has been almost implausible and as I have said before, my son’s test results and the amount of metals coming out of him coincide with his progress. Those test results are always up and down, they are not a steady uphill bar graph. So, for those of you that have your therories about Doctors Data putting the mercury into the test results and blah, blah, blah. Doctors Data results usually coincide with the progress that we observe. How do they know when to show low metals and then show high metals dumping to coincide with the parent’s and doctor’s observations? How do they do that? I’ll bet Laidler has a theory.
Stick that in your peer-reviewed science hat and smoke it!
HN: “I think the answer is the Krigsman has NOT published the study, and is only feeding bits and pieces to groups like DAN! and Safeminds.”
Then it’s not reasearch.
It isn’t a “systematic study made public”, which it what they taught me that research is. It has to be made public in order for other scientists to replicate the study as verification (or otherwise) of the results.
Which begs the question: if Krigsman isn’t involved in research (by that definition, he is clearly not), then why is he not giving test results to parents of his patients?
That is well outwith the bounds of ethical medical practice.
No excuses, DH or SueM. No arguments from you either… you have nothing useful to say on this point unless that study can be unearthed.
KC: “You bet I’m a Dr. Buttar “bleeverâ€. ”
Then you’re a class one idiot.
No science, and to be honest, if there’s no science, there’s no result; no result… nothing matters… now *you* go and stick your untestable, very biased anecdotes up your arse!
David wrote:
“No excuses, DH or SueM. No arguments from you either… you have nothing useful to say on this point unless that study can be unearthed”.
– You will not get an argument from me, David. What you will get is simply a request (I think it will be my 2nd or 3rd in regards to this matter). Do your homework. Look into Krigsman’s work. Make some phone calls. Talk to your professors. Do whatever you need to do to find out if Krigsman is doing anything unethical. Then report back when you know what you are talking about.
” No science, and to be honest, if there’s no science, there’s no result; no result… nothing matters… now you go and stick your untestable, very biased anecdotes up your arse! ”
Definition of science:
1. a.- The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I’ve got packing a suitcase down to a science.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
David, what I am talking about and what Dr. Buttar is doing is “science” and I would rather put that “science” on my child’s skin than shove it up my ass. To stop chelating my child now while he is well on his way to recovering would be a crime.
KC: “Definition of science:”
Yes… the dictionary.com offering first on the list… I know… I’ve seen it. Pity you didn’t check further down the page:
“Main Entry: sci·ence
Pronunciation: ‘sI-&n(t)s
Function: noun
: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially *as obtained and tested through the scientific method* and concerned with the physical world and its phenomena.”
Yes, Kevin C, take note of the highlighted text: *as obtained and tested through the scientific method* is actually a part of the definition of science (in terms of what we are talking about here).
What Buttar is doing is *not* science (not a single replicable study published, giving results that demonstrate the reliability of the original researcher’s results); what Krigsman is doing looks more like it, but still fails in that it is not *research* (Stenhouse’s 1975 definition, in Martin D & Miller C, 1999; “Module Code 11 07916 – Practitioner Inquiry in Education (PIE) Unit 5: Presenting Your Research”, states that research is *systematic inquiry* (that is, science) *made public*. His results are yet to be published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal. Chelation for autism, based on the MMR vaccines theory (which has, like it or not, been discredited by Wakefield’s own laborary!) – and involving the issue of mercury poisoning from the thimerosal issue (which also has, like it or not, become an untenable position) – is not a scientific, evidence-based “treatment” for anything outside of lead (and possibly other heavy-metals) poisoning; and, even for the *really valid* case for which chelation is indicated, it is such a dangerous treatment that it is often considered unwise to use it unless the risk assessment for it suggests that the patient has nothing to lose by trying it.
What I suggested that you to do was actually to “stick your *untestable, very biased anecdotes* up your arse!”.
I didn’t mention science at all there. I cannot, based on my training in as a psychologist, call Buttar’s work any sort of science at all! Untestable, very biased anecdotal evidence is not what science is made of.
I know full well that this will have made no sense to you (because I really believe that you refuse to understand it) since it would basically make you aware that you have been wasting youe time and money on Buttar’s cream, and you have invested too much in that, haven’t you, Kevin?
You aren’t curing your child, Kevin; you are lining Buttar’s pockets with money he isn’t even earning!
Reference: Martin D & Miller C, 1999; “Module Code 11 07916 – Practitioner Inquiry in Education (PIE) Unit 5: Presenting Your Research” – University of Birmingham.