Yet more Scientology and Autism

11 Mar

After my post on Friday detailing how one of the ‘recovered’ poster children of Generation Rescue was in fact diagnosed, treated and recovered by Scientologists (people who do not, by definition, believe in psychiatric conditions), I was forwarded another piece of information that really did make me sit back in my chair and wonder where this was all leading.

Dan Burton is a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Indiana. He is a firm believer in the autism/vaccine connection, being on record as stating:

“My only grandson became autistic right before my eyes – shortly after receiving his federally recommended and state-mandated vaccines”

He has acted in the interests of various parent led organisations who claim to be autism advocates and has become a powerful voice.

However, as the saying goes: behind every great man…

The people behind Dan Burton include (or used to) one Sarah Elizabeth (Beth) Clay who:

Beth Clay is Congressman Burton’s assistant, and Burton is the Chair of the House Oversight Committee.

This puts Ms Clay in a position of some strength with a man who is in a powerful position. In fact, as we can see Ms Clay has lobbied for SafeMinds, one of the largest antivax/autism movements, on numerous occasions.

Ms Clay also runs her own lobbying organisation BC and A International:

During her Capitol Hill tenure, Ms. Clay’s work focused on several breakthrough issues, including: complementary and alternative medicine, dietary supplement regulation, the epidemic rise in rates of autism spectrum disorders…..issues…..mercury and heavy metal toxicity

However, Ms Clay’s CV also includes other activities that are oddly not mentioned on BC and A’s website. She is a Board Member of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, an organisation that:

CCHR was founded in 1969 by the Church of Scientology and the internationally acclaimed author, Dr. Thomas Szasz.

Yup, Beth Clay, Assistant to Congressman Dan Burton and hired gun of SafeMinds is a Scientologist, or works with them.

We now have several DAN! doctors who are scientologists, several thiomersal/autism lawyers who are scientologists, a ‘cured’ child who was diagnosed (partly), treated and ‘cured’ by scientologists and now one Congressman who’s advisor is a scientologist. We also have one indirect link from scientology to Generation Rescue (in the shape of Julia Berle, founding parent of that organisation and mother to the ‘cured’ child described above) and one direct link from scientology to SafeMinds in the shape of Beth Clay.

Maybe its worth reminding ourselves what Scientology is. According to ex-scientologist, Roland Rashleigh-Berry, Scientology is:

….a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives

The founder of this cult, L Ron Hubbard, once said:

Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion

Or maybe sell snake oil.

66 Responses to “Yet more Scientology and Autism”

  1. mike stanton March 11, 2007 at 21:01 #

    If we are to dismiss all of psychiatry as evil we will have to dispense with the contribution to autism made by psychiatrists like Leo Kanner, Lorna Wing, Eric Schopler, Michael Rutter, Christopher Gillberg, Sula Wolff, Eric Fombonne etc.

    I will take science over scientology every time. Thanks for posting this, Kev.

  2. Ballastexistenz March 12, 2007 at 00:31 #

    I wish that people would divorce the idea of critiques of psychiatry (including ones that believe that psychiatry is either wholly bad or far worse than it is good) from the idea of $cientology, because when you equate critiques of psychiatry (including extreme ones) automatically with $cientology and make it sound like they’re the only two options, you’re doing a disservice to actual valid critiques of psychiatry.

  3. barb March 12, 2007 at 00:51 #

    Imagine that! A Congresscritter with a right-hand Scientologist! L. Ron Hubbard wrote that his cult should infiltrate government offices, rather than run for office. The tiny voice in the shell-like ear of government, Hubbard realized, was much better than being the responsible party.

    You want to know how Scientology programs get support from people who should know better?

    Google search “National Foundation of Women Legislators” and Scientology. The NFWL was founded in 1938, well before the cult was formed. However, the Rondroids have infested the NFWL at high levels, resulting in legislators who stupidly promote fraudulent Scientology programs and fund them with public money. Another group for male legislators, ALEC, is similarly infiltrated.

  4. Nobody March 12, 2007 at 02:35 #

    This goes to what you were saying earlier Kevin. Here is a page from Scientology’s “Freedom” magazine which a picture that may be rather interesting to you…

    The text under the picture reads as follows:

    “Above left: Texas psychologist/author John Breeding was recognized for his groundbreaking efforts on behalf of legislation that upholds parent’s rights to refuse psychiatric drugging of their children. Following suit are legislators and their aides who are advancing such laws at state and federal levels: Clockwise from upper right, Beth Clay, aide to House Government Reform Chairman Dan Burton (R-IN), California State Rep. Ray Haynes, Hawaii State Rep. Cynthia Thielen and National Foundation of Women Legislators President, Rep. Robin Reed.”

    Some more of the players in this farce…

    http://www.freedommag.org/english/la/issue07/page02.htm

    The page has a bit more of Scientology’s war against Psychiatry as well..

  5. another autism mom March 12, 2007 at 04:35 #

    Kev, this is a good piece of journalism… You should see about publishing your articles linking Scientology-antivax-autism quackery in a big newspaper.

  6. anonimouse March 12, 2007 at 13:25 #

    So Beth Clay, scientologist of fairly high rank, is/was getting around $100,000 (maybe just $70,000) a year in money from the hermetically sealed minds at SAFE MINDS, what on earth would she do with that money? Use it to get the attention of politicians? Wouldn’t that make a lot of 3 martini lunches? Or is that just what she pays herself for hours walking the halls of congress badly slanting the SAFE MINDS talking points about the dangers of mercury?

    Maybe she’s David Kirby’s “Deep Throat”.

  7. Bonnie Ventura March 12, 2007 at 18:35 #

    Ballastexistenz wrote:

    when you equate critiques of psychiatry (including extreme ones) automatically with $cientology and make it sound like they’re the only two options, you’re doing a disservice to actual valid critiques of psychiatry.

    I agree. Psychiatry has many ignorant and harmful biases, which may not make the entire field of psychiatry evil, but they do need to be discussed.

    Also, one congressional assistant does not equate to Scientologists taking over the US government. Curebie ideas and woo are rampant in the US for many reasons, unfortunately. If every Scientologist disappeared from the planet tomorrow, I don’t think there would be any difference whatsoever in US government attitudes toward autistic people.

    I’ll be frank: The conspiracy theorizing seems to be getting a tad too extreme here, Kev, and it could cause the Hub to lose credibility in general.

  8. Kev March 12, 2007 at 19:13 #

    What conspiracy theorizing Bonnie? I’m not sure I’m suggesting there’s a conspiracy am I? What I’m saying is that its a cause of concern – to me – that Scientologist’s have access to vulnerable children. I’m not sure what the Hub or credibility have to do with anything at all.

    I’m really not big on self-censorship to meet someone else’s idea about what my content should be. The sole criteria for the Hub is that it is non-cure oriented.

    _”Also, one congressional assistant does not equate to Scientologists taking over the US government”_

    And who exactly suggested it did? I’ll be equally frank: I think you’re letting your dislike of psychiatry (valid or not) blind you to criticism of those that also don’t like it.

    The bottom line for me is this – scientology is, in my opinion, a dangerous cult and its adherents need to be kept away from autistic kids. That would be true if they were neurodiversity supporters or mercury supporters.

  9. Nobody March 12, 2007 at 19:35 #

    Bonnie, it is intellectually dishonest to say that it is just one congressional assistant…

  10. Prometheus March 12, 2007 at 20:15 #

    If you want to see how the Scientologists would handle autism therapy, you need look no further than their track record treating addiction (Narconon). (see: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ )

    Here are some of the “facts” that Narconon’s school program in San Francisco was telling children:

    — Drugs — including ecstasy, LSD and marijuana — accumulate indefinitely in body fat, where they cause recurring drug cravings for months or years.

    “Drugs in fat cause flashbacks even years after the user quits.”

    “The vitamin niacin pulls drugs from fat, and saunas sweat them from the body.”

    “Colored ooze is produced when drugs exit the body.”

    The use of saunas and high-dose niacin to treat drug addiction may also sound somewhat familiar to people on this ‘blog.

    After seeing the sort of shenanigans that went on with Narconon, I was more than a bit concerned to hear that the cold, dead hand of L. Ron Hubbard might be reaching out for autistic children.

    Now, I don’t think that we need to go down the “tinfoil hat” route and start seeing Scientologists under every bed, but I think that finding Scientology involved in “alternative” autism therapy is very concerning. As a group, the Scientologists have been very ruthless in promoting their world-view and have shown a rather casual attitude toward scientific method and reason.

    Rather like some of the people involved in promoting “alternative” autism therapies.

    Prometheus

  11. Bonnie Ventura March 12, 2007 at 20:36 #

    Kev, even if you didn’t intend to suggest that there’s a conspiracy, when you and commenters like “Nobody” start posting all sorts of ominous-sounding stuff about Scientology infiltrating the government and the antivax groups and whatnot, it certainly comes across that way. (Yes, I know you don’t control your commenters, but this is the sort of post that draws the conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.)

    As for my personal views of psychiatry, I have no firsthand experience with it (thankfully) and therefore do not have a “blinding” dislike for it. However, as Michelle Dawson just observed, psychiatry is rife with harmful priorities and presumptions concerning autistic people.

    Just because someone may happen to agree with me on a particular point doesn’t mean that I’m going to automatically give them a free pass from criticism… otherwise, I would not be commenting on this post, as I consider you to be an ally. 🙂

  12. anonimouse March 12, 2007 at 20:36 #

    Bonnie,

    The infestation of Scientology into autism treatment is a very big deal because it’s a well-financed cult with a very litigious nature. They could afford to maintain a slew of lawsuits against drug companies or threaten lawsuits against those that oppose their views on the topic. It could also explain how many autism-mercury groups can maintain a high profile despite nominal membership and comparatively low annual revenues.

  13. Greg March 12, 2007 at 21:16 #

    I wonder if anyone realizes how similar the rhetoric used these days about Scientology is to German rhetoric about the Jews in the 1930s. “it’s a well-financed cult…” along with the conspiracy theories.

    I’m also incensed that whenever a Scientologist does something these days, it’s “that actor, known to be a Scientologist…” or “that Scientologist politician…” – I wonder if you’d be that comfortable writing “that actor, known to be a Jew…” or “that black Politician…”

    It starts like this. Whispers and pointed fingers. But I tell you one thing: I for one will not stand still while the bigotry escalates.

    So, NO, you may NOT refer to involvement by Scientologists in any social issue as “infestation” without this guy standing up and calling you a damn bigot.

    Sincerely,
    Greg
    Scientologist and proud of it
    http://www.liveandgrow.org

  14. Nobody March 12, 2007 at 21:22 #

    Bonnie –

    The following are real examples of Scientology infiltrating and dinking around behind the scenes.

    I know it sounds silly or akin to conspiracy theory to those not familiar with the “church” tactics, but Scientology truly does have a record of infiltration and such things.

    FBI documents against the church are proven.

    Operation Snow White:

    “Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology’s name for a project during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations of and thefts from government agencies, carried out by Church members, including the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history.[1]

    Under this program, Scientology operatives committed infiltration, wiretapping, and theft of documents in government offices, most notably those of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. Eleven highly-placed Church executives, including Mary Sue Hubbard (wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard and second in command of the organization), pleaded guilty or were convicted in federal court of obstructing justice, burglary of government offices, and theft of documents and government property. The case was United States vs. Mary Sue Hubbard et al., 493 F. Supp. 209 (D.D.C. 1979)”

    Operation Freakout:

    “Operation Freakout, also known as Operation PC Freakout, was the name given by the Church of Scientology to a covert plan intended to have the author Paulette Cooper imprisoned or committed to a mental institution. The plan, undertaken in 1976 following years of Church-initiated lawsuits and covert harassment, was meant to eliminate the perceived threat that Cooper posed to the Church and obtain revenge for her publication in 1971 of a highly critical book, The Scandal of Scientology.”

    This is the document of “Operation Freakout”

    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/frk1gif.html

    Project Normandy:
    “Project Normandy is the code name for a top secret Church of Scientology operation wherein the church documented its plans to takeover the city of Clearwater, Florida by infiltrating government offices and media centers. The document itself states its purpose is to “to obtain enough data on the Clearwater area to be able to determine what groups and individuals B1 will need to penetrate and handle in order to establish area control. The document says its “Major Target” is “To fully investigate the Clearwater city and county area so we can distinguish our friends from our enemies and handle as needed”.”

    Here is the Document of Scientology’s Project Normandy.

    http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/scientology/normandy1.htm

    Project Celebrity:
    “The Church often quotes L. Ron Hubbard as saying that A culture is only as great as its dreams and its dreams are dreamed by artists, citing this as the reason that Celebrity Centres were established – to create a good environment for “artists”. Critics of Scientology point to the fact that Hubbard launched “Project Celebrity” in 1955 to recruit celebrities into the church and say that the centres were established for this purpose, because celebrity members give Scientology the publicity it needs to recruit more members.”

    Here is the document for Project Celebrity

    Here is another document pertaining to Project Celebrity

  15. Nobody March 12, 2007 at 21:37 #

    Note, I have no ill will to Scientologists, I have issues with the management and how it lies, uses and takes advantage of Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike.

  16. HN March 12, 2007 at 22:36 #

    We also know how well DAN! doctor Conrad G. Maulfair, Jr treated Jeremy Perkins.

    From http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/Maulfair/:
    “Maulfair “diagnosed” Jeremy Perkins by having a hair sample analyzed. … After meeting with the family, he recommended that Jeremy be treated with what the Buffalo News called “an expensive intravenous therapy” to remove arsenic and toxic metals from his system. Most likely this was the chelation therapy advertised on Maulfair’s web site, hardly an appropriate remedy for schizophrenia. ”

    Does the hair analysis and treatment sound familiar? Did it work? Would it work as well for autism as it would for schizophrenia? Of course, maybe there is some confusion… once upon a time children with autism were diagnosed as having “childhood schizophrenia”.

  17. mike stanton March 12, 2007 at 23:18 #

    Scientology is a cult with no rational basis. The biomedical/antivax movement that has attached itself to autism has a similar cult like approach to science.

    I see Kev’s post as evidence that fringe groups tend to congregate. Birds of a feather fly together.

    Should we be worried? Not really. But we should be aware. I do have a question though. Is an associaton with scientology more damaging to the mercury malicia or does scientology suffer more from its association with them?

  18. anameless alawyerless March 13, 2007 at 09:21 #

    Correction
    I was wrong. Julia Berle was discussing on a DAN list giving her son an antiviral shortly before the GR New York Times ad ran that said her son was cured of autism. She probably did not give him low dose naltrexone. He continued on supplements and the specific carbohydrate diet after he was claimed to be cured of autism.

  19. Catherina March 13, 2007 at 09:59 #

    I wonder if anyone realizes how similar the rhetoric used these days about Scientology is to German rhetoric about the Jews in the 1930s. “it’s a well-financed cult…” along with the conspiracy theories.

    big yawn – and if everything else fails, get out out the “Nazi-club” and pull it over peoples’ heads to shut them up. Neither original nor tasteful and a clear sign that you have run out of arguments.

  20. anonimouse March 13, 2007 at 13:23 #

    big yawn – and if everything else fails, get out out the “Nazi-club” and pull it over peoples’ heads to shut them up. Neither original nor tasteful and a clear sign that you have run out of arguments.

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnazium.html

  21. Ballastexistenz March 13, 2007 at 13:43 #

    To be clear, when I said something critical of psychiatry, that was not intended to let $cientology off the hook. Anyone thinking it is intended to do so, is doing exactly what I complained about — seeing psychiatry and $cientology as the only two alternatives. I happen to think both of them are awful and destructive in nature and that any good done by either one of them is in spite of the group rather than because of it.

  22. Bonnie Ventura March 13, 2007 at 14:24 #

    “Nobody” wrote:

    the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history

    Like, bigger than anything the Soviet Union did in the 1950s, with all its communist spies? Bigger than anything the Nazis did during the Second World War?

    Uh-huh…

    I don’t disagree with your opinion of Hubbard’s manipulative character, but when you make extreme claims like that, you’re seriously getting into tinfoil beanie territory.

  23. J March 13, 2007 at 14:32 #

    While it may have not been the largest, the very fact the infiltration occurred is not a good thing.

  24. Mercury Dad March 13, 2007 at 17:58 #

    Kev:

    Why did you delete Ms. Berle’s response to your baseless claims? Too threatening to have to contemplate that kids are recovering?

    MD

  25. Ms. Clark March 13, 2007 at 18:33 #

    MD (cute)

    I think what happened is that one or both of her comments got caught in Kev’s spam trap. It happens. It’s not part of a conspiracy or anything. Relax. Aren’t they both on the web now? I don’t have time to check both the threads. One where she denies that Baxter went to a particular school and antother where she just denies knowing what scientology is?

  26. anonimouse March 13, 2007 at 18:40 #

    Until Ms. Berle definitively answers the questions I posed to her in the referenced thread, I am not in a position to assume they are baseless.

    Most notably –

    Did her child did go to the Learning Castle?

    If so, whether she knew that school was run by someone with alleged ties to Scientology and on the same campus as the Renaissance Academy?

    As well, whether she knew that the doctors she allegedly used in the diagnosis and treatment of her child were affiliated with Scientology?

    Considering the rather unusual beliefs and “medical” practices of Scientologists, these are legitimate questions to answer – especially if you choose to use said child as a public example of someone “recovered” from autism.

  27. MercuryDad March 13, 2007 at 20:34 #

    “I’ll be frank: The conspiracy theorizing seems to be getting a tad too extreme here, Kev, and it could cause the Hub to lose credibility in general.”

    Look out, Kevin, your own Peeps are revolting!!

    MD

  28. J March 13, 2007 at 20:59 #

    If this cure was real, why is it not implemented everywhere? It would be a breakthrough which would further Science. That is something that is fishy to me… Surely the “cure” would be widespread and implemented if there was any truth to it.

    Or do you think there is some “government conspiracy” to keep it down. I am honestly curious how you answer this…

  29. Tom March 13, 2007 at 21:02 #

    It’s been at least 2 years since you began chelation. When will the video showing his recovery premiere?

  30. AF March 14, 2007 at 03:48 #

    “Our war has been forced to become ‘To take over absolutely the field of mental healing on this planet in all forms.’

    “That was not the original purpose. The original purpose was to clear Earth. The battles suffered developed the data that we had an enemy who would have to be gotten out of the way and this meant that we were at war …”

    Gee, Greg, I think there might be a slight difference between being born black, or being born Jewish, or even converting to Judaism — and on the other hand voluntarily belonging to an organization which talks about being “at war”, and being “forced” to “take over absolutely” all over the planet so that the “enemy” could be “gotten out of the way”…

  31. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 16:47 #

    Hey Kev:

    Looks like you have even lost Wade Rankin this time, well done.

    I’m preparing your eulogy. It will be brief.

    MD

  32. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 17:05 #

    “It’s been at least 2 years since you began chelation. When will the video showing his recovery premiere?”

    Tom:

    It can’t feel that good to go after another guy’s kid, can it? Does it somehow make you feel better about yourself that I have not put my son in a video on the web?

    This was a recent post I made about my son to parents who treat their children biomedically. There are thousands of them, fyi, they just don’t waste their time posting on a blog with idiots like you. I wrote:

    And now, the sweetness is arriving. Who is this guy? Mellow, loving, receptive language everywhere. Laughing his butt-off, finding ways to get me to tickle him repeatedly so he can let out belly-laughs.

    You forget how far your child has come, until you make a list like this. My son today is:

    – 100% potty-trained, no accidents EVER, no night diaper
    – Great stools, 2-3x per day.
    – Sleeping through the night
    – Several hundred words, many used by him in proper context. With flashcards, can identify anything we show him with the right word.
    – Sings songs, all words at least audible if not clear
    – Ever-improving eye contact
    – Is sight-reading 30+ words. So, he could read: I see a ball and a girl. Airplane. And, many others.
    – Just recently, mastered phonic sounds for all 26 letters. “What sound does an ‘F” make?” He says, “Ffffffff.”
    – Hugs his Mom and Dad a lot. At night, if she’s not around, says, “I want Mommy.” And means it.
    – Always says “No” if the thing we ask him is a “no” to him. “Do you want to take a bath?” He says: “no!”
    – Points, albeit he hasn’t mastered the pointer finger, but damn is it close. Example: Can you point to Mommy?

    This is my son. If it’s your kid, too, lucky you. Do you really need to go after other people’s kids? Like your friend Kevin? It’s pathetic that you guys spend your time tearing down other parents. We actually aren’t the enemy here.

    MD

    Mercury Dad

  33. Kev March 14, 2007 at 17:22 #

    _”Looks like you have even lost Wade Rankin this time, well done.”_

    I’ll just have to learn how to cope with the loss Brad ;o)

    _”This is my son. If it’s your kid, too, lucky you. Do you really need to go after other people’s kids? Like your friend Kevin?”_

    Its my daughter, just about, so – thanks, I’ll take that.

    As for going after kids. Do you want to show me where I’ve done that?

    Let see if we can find someone who _has_ actually gone after kids shall we?

    Look no further than Generation Rescue Rescue Angel John Best who has:

    a) Compared my daughter to a monkey because she learnt to use a computer
    b) Assumed her identity on the AWARES forum and posted several posts under her name.
    c) Encourages commenters on his blog to post in Megan’s name.

    _Thats_ going after kids Brad. What do you feel about the things John has done? Maybe you can understand given the sort of behaviour John has exhibited towards Megan that I refrain from discussing her publicly.

    What _I_ have done is shown that Baxter Berle has been treated, ‘recovered’ and possibly diagnosed by Scientologists. There’s no way to do that without mentioning his name. Lets not forget that it was you and Julia who put Baxter’s name ‘out there’. You seem happy to do so when the PR is favourable. Not so much when its something you don’t like I see.

  34. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 18:12 #

    Kevin:

    Several of my comments have not made it to your site, including the reponse to the above post – what gives?

    MD

  35. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 18:22 #

    Cliff Notes to what I wrote that didn’t make it:

    1. I applaud you protecting Megan
    2. You are a hypocrite for calling out other kids
    3. I condemn John for calling out your daughter and I think that’s wrong (and, I’m neither John’s Dad nor his boss, he can say whatever the hell he wants.)
    4. I’m not a Scientologist, have never met one, respect religions, and think you guys are nutso

    And, my son is 4.

    MD

  36. jypsy March 14, 2007 at 18:33 #

    How old is your son MD? (sorry, haven’t followed your story)

  37. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 19:08 #

    DivaWitch:

    What’s a problem for you is not my problem. I’m exceptionally happy and proud with where my son is. The fact that some witch living in Davis thinks biomedical hasn’t done a thing for my son is really not my issue, it’s yours. If you are happy with where your daughter is, God bless you. Keep your rabid paws off my son.

    And, I have never held up any tests that you could have possibly seen, so please stop making shit up to support your warped points.

    BTW, for those of you who try to stick everything John Best says or is attributed to have said on to me: We have more than 350 Rescue Angels. That’s approximately 50 times the number of people who post to this blog (trying to count all of Diva’s sock puppets as one person). We’re volunteers. We all can say what we want. Wehn John Best says something, it doesn’t mean I said it and it doesn’t mean I agree with it. I often do, sometimes I don’t. He’s an adult, he can say what he wants. Pinning his statements to me is a desperate act, and if that’s the best thing you have to retort, it says a lot.

    MD

  38. Kev March 14, 2007 at 19:18 #

    _”2. You are a hypocrite for calling out other kids”_

    Show me where I’ve done that please. If you want to call me a hypocrite show me where I’ve gone after kids.

    _”3. I condemn John for calling out your daughter and I think that’s wrong (and, I’m neither John’s Dad nor his boss, he can say whatever the hell he wants.)”_

    Yeah, whatever. He can indeed say whatever he wants. What he did was cowardly. I’ll never, ever forget it and should we ever meet I’ll remind him of it. Demonstrate to me how a discussion that _involves_ a child is ‘calling out’ or in any way comparable to what John did to my child? Unless you want to add your TV/Newspaper interviews about Jamie? Or Julia’s TV interviews to your definition of ‘calling out’?

    _”4. I’m not a Scientologist, have never met one, respect religions, and think you guys are nutso”_

    Good for you. I think you’re a silly little man bereft of logic, science or the ability to remain dignified. Shall I tell you what _really_ pisses you off about all this?

    Its because its happening on a medium that you cannot buy or control. You are inept Brad and stumble from one web related disaster to another. Look at your attempts to control Wikipedia. That’s not working out too well either.

    As I understand it you spent over $100,000 on Google Adwords in a year. Ouch. Thats got to grate when you realise one geezer with one website outranks you without spending one penny.

    You have to learn that you don’t control and cannot control this environment Brad. All you can do is contribute to it like everyone else. Spare me your fake rage whilst that sinks in sonny.

    Your comments keep getting spam trapped as you are using the phrase ‘John Best’ which I added to my spam filter. Now you’ve added the cliffs notes, do you want me to bother freeing the whole thing?

  39. Kev March 14, 2007 at 19:20 #

    _”And, I have never held up any tests that you could have possibly seen, so please stop making shit up to support your warped points.”_

    No, but you never let that stop you spreading your lies in the first place did it?

    And you have the gall to call me a hypocrite? Feh.

  40. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 19:29 #

    Kev:

    I sure seem to post a lot on your blog for a guy who can’t stand this medium. Perhaps I’m just someone who likes to stand up for what he believes in.

    Your comment about Google is way over my head, perhaps a good nap would be in order, I think you are giving yourself and the six people who post here a tad too much credit. And, keep in mind that most of the world doesn’t live on the Web the way you do, you may be losing touch with reality. I think you have an addiction and that your esteem is intertwined with this blog – perhaps you should have that looked at?

    I’m not sure what you think you have achieved, but from my perspective you have achieved annoying tens of thousands of parents who are treating their children biomedically, sort of like a gnat in one’s ear.

    I posted here again after a welcome break because you are behaving like an extreme hypocrite by calling out other kids and I think that’s wrong.

    Now, I must announce my departure, which I’m confident will be met with tears by your six fellow bloggers. Keep it up guys, you continue to do absolutely nothing!!

    MD

  41. anonimouse March 14, 2007 at 19:29 #

    I think JB’s getting pissed. It won’t be long until he throws down the Lawyer Card Of Doom(tm) for him and his friends again.

  42. MercuryDad March 14, 2007 at 19:39 #

    Idiot wrote:

    “Simply cry about a SPAM filter and demand to play a sweaty ball-game.”

    Arthur Allen challenged me, fyi.

    I wrote:

    This is the vaccine Paul Offit developed – you keep great company,
    Arthur.

    FDA warns of vaccine complications

    He responded:

    i do keep good company, mr. handley. if this is linked to the vaccine, it’s a terrible tragedy.if you knew anything about the trials, which i don’t anticipate that you did, you’ll know that they looked carefully for intussusception and didn’t find it. still, moving from
    a trial, evena large one that cost merck 800 million, can’t guarantee that things won’t turn up later when a vaccineis introduced to the public.paul offit has more integrity in his appendix than you do in your entire being, sir.

    I responded:

    Given your appearance at the debate, I hope you are alive long enough to have to eat those words.

    He responded:

    You think so? I’ll whoop your tail on the basketball court any time, fella

    I said:

    Really?
    Bet as much as you want, I’ll give you 3 to 1 odds if you beat me, first to 11 you have to win by 2.
    Next time I’m in NY?
    Oh, and Offit may want to use his royalty income from the inteccuption vaccine to hire you as a PR guy, he’s looking like a bigger idiot than usual trying to defend his masterpiece.

    ***

    He set up a time to play, I didn’t publicize it, and then he bailed like a pussy. I’m not surprised people here somehow deem that to be noble.

    Over and really out this time,

    MD

  43. J March 14, 2007 at 19:51 #

    What do you think the estimated time is before Scientology lawyers try to hit the board with a lawsuit?

    MD, did you ever specify why a non-scientologist such as yourself links to http://www.scientology.org?

  44. Mike Miller March 14, 2007 at 19:53 #

    3rd time lucky? – to beat the Leitch suppression

    “What conspiracy theorizing Bonnie? I’m not sure I’m suggesting there’s a conspiracy am I?”

    If it smells like, sounds like, looks like ….. then ….. (well, you know the rest)

  45. Mike Miller March 14, 2007 at 19:55 #

    Oops. Forgot sig.

    Century

  46. J March 14, 2007 at 20:08 #

    http://livingness.com/blog/index.php/jennifer.nickerson/2007/03/14/mandatory_vaccinations_suck

    Scientologist talking about Vaccines

  47. clone3g March 14, 2007 at 20:23 #

    Hey Brad,
    It’s wonderful that Jamie is doing so well. Really, and I mean that sincerely.

    Not a slam but, how is it that you expect anyone to be impressed with his progress when it doesn’t sound that different from the typical development so many autistic children experience?

    I suppose it sounds more dramatic when you hold it up against some of the worst case scenario stories that are used to strike fear in the hearts of parents, but it also isn’t the complete recovery within two years you promised your followers.

    No one is calling out your son but it would be nice if you could admit that Buttar cream and RNA drops were a colossal waste of money, if only to protect other unsuspecting, and less affluent, parents.

  48. Friend in California March 14, 2007 at 20:23 #

    But you see, JB, that there is justification for taking a stance against biomed.
    First off, I am sincerely happy with the changes you are seeing in your son. As I have claimed many times in various conversations with “biomed” parents I have witnessed the same changes in my son that you are seeing in yours. Actually, it is almost uncanny how closely your description of your son’s current behaviors match those of mine. And these changes have occurred in the complete absence of biomedical treatments (we do various behavioral and language approaches and hippotherapy – not “nothing” as is so often claimed by detractors). Since I am seeing the same changes in my son, I can sympathize in a positive way with how you feel.
    But where it gets interesting is this: There are many parents who feel that the promises made by those who endorse/sell biomedical treatments can be, and are, harmful to the child, the parents, and the efforts to objectively examine the science and ethics of autism. And those of us who feel this way have every right to counter what we perceive to be harmful messages. This is what Kev does and what numerous others do.
    There is a void of evidence that biomedical treatments work for a statistically significant number of children if the measure of success is to be defined as “curing autism”, or eliminating autistic behaviors. That digestive issues, toxicity issues, etc. may be resolved by some of these treatments is irrelevant, as they do not pertain to autism as it is currently defined.
    You have been very aggressive in promoting public awareness that autism does not exist, but instead is actually a misdiagnosis for mercury poisoning. While you may feel some outrage that one person has been singled out for examination of circumstances because that person’s circumstances were voluntarily placed in the public domain, I feel equally outraged that you have caused thousands of Americans (who have seen your ads) to believe MY SON is a mercury-toxic, brain-damaged child. When I tell people that my son is autistic, I don’t want them to pity his “Neurotypical” soul that it has been caged by autism, I want them to understand that he is a great kid who is in some ways very different from them and in other ways not so much. My reason for pointing this out, Brad, is that you seem to have yourself convinced that you occupy some sort of moral “high ground” on this debate, when in actuality you have done more damage to the prospects of society and mainstream medicine to deal with autism in a productive manner than you will ever admit to. So please take your “holier than thou” attitude and give it a Lupron injection.

  49. jypsy March 14, 2007 at 20:34 #

    Thanx MD. And for the record I’m not the Diva.

  50. Tom March 14, 2007 at 20:41 #

    JB,

    It really is time for you to put up or shut up.

    If mercury is the cause of autism and ADHD and chelation crosses the blood/brain barrier to restore impaired, altered, and missing neuronal function while also reducing gain of function, then you have discovered a miracle drug with application far beyond autism and ADHD. Your name will go down in history right next to Jonas Salk. All us skeptics will be forced to eat our words–a meal I’m sure you’d love to serve.

    But you have nothing to show for your claims. The science is laughable. The scientists and practitioners are fools or charlatans. (Don’t these people give a Stanford graduate some pause?) The recovery videos show some sweet and very clearly autistic children being asked to perform in a bizarre ritual for the benefit of parents and quack doctors.

    Unconventional therapies come and go. Chelation will go the way of secretin. David Kirby will find some other disease to exploit. The media will tire of giving air time to crackpots and turn on you. Your rage will dissipate (or maybe just move to another target) but the reality of your child’s situation will remain.

    You hate the concept of neurodiversity, but you should be grateful for it. As your autistic son grows up, you will demand that he is accepted and valued. And like it or not, you will find yourself part of a movement that advocates respect and equality for those who are neurodiverse.

    We look forward to watching your transformation.

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