Poul Thorsen, a Danish scientist who worked on many subjects including autism prevalence, was indicted in the United States today, the Atlanta Business Chronical reports. The article, Dane indicted for defrauding CDC, notes:
A Danish man was indicted Wednesday on charges of wire fraud and money laundering for allegedly concocting a scheme to steal more than $1 million in autism research money from the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Poul Thorsen started his association with the CDC as a visiting researcher. Later he moved to Denmark and Aarhus University.
According to the news article, Mr. Thorsen was using his position to create fraudulent invoices, and got his university to pay funds into his personal accounts in the US.
Mr. Thorsen worked on many projects. Most pertinent to this blog are his group’s efforts on autism epidemiology. These include works on MMR vaccines and thimerosal (e.g. A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism and Thimerosal and the occurrence of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data )
No charge has been made about the quality of these research projects or the conclusions drawn. However vaccine-causation advocates have been promoting the Thorsen case as part of their efforts.
Make no mistake: if guilty Poul Thorsen has committed very serious crimes. As a taxpayer, of course I am upset that this man might have stolen taxpayer money. As an autism parent, I can say without reservation that if found guilty Mr. Thorsen should be sentenced to the maximum sentence. The damage to the reputation of the research community which has sought to answer the questions of vaccine causation. A million dollars is a lot of money, but it is small change compared to the potential damage that might be caused .
Left Brain Right Brain 
That’s very kind of you. Thanks Chris.
“You really have to wonder where and why I should need to go back and read older dated studies when the Thorsen study to Pharma followers was until last week headed up as the “shangrila” of studies.”
Because you raised the issue that they were all based around Thorsens work, implied that his work was fraudulent, and that therefore these studies were:
“Simply they all are based around Thorsen so they are all false not one,not two, but all”
I have really no idea where you get the idea that the Madsen study was a ‘shangrila’, why you think ‘shangrila’ is even a remotely appropriate word to use, why you think a superior piece of work would allow you to ignore all others, and what sort of disrespect you have for others if you think you can get away with pulling such a dirty dishonest underhanded stunt.
Seriously, have more respect for people and they might not view you as dodgy and untrustworthy.
If you wish to make a claim, you best be able to stick up for it. You have thus far made no effort that is visible and have failed to honestly and competantly conduct yourself at any point, including acts of very visible dishonesty and cowardly dodging.
Off topic: Is it just me who finds LBRB very slow to load? Sometimes I have to wait up to 30 seconds, even a minute for the page, and even now in on an ultra-fast 50x hotel network I still wait a long time.
I say this because I think that, if my experience is typical, there may be many potential newbies who don’t hang around.
I wonder if the ticker-tape on the page is making it very heavy. There are some stats I’ve seen that say that most people are annoyed by ticker-tapes.
Anyhow, that’s just my experience.
I’ve always been irritated by the slowness of page loading and you’ve beaten me to mentioning it.
Visitor, it’s slow to load here too …
Dear Sullivan ,
You just cant win on this site,and the motto is to ignore the evidence in the blog and shoot the messenger.
If I post web links such as Whale ,CHS,AOA,JABS and others , Chris and friends go apoplectic.” If I don’t URL the posts,”” I am then accused of plagiarism plus other anti-vax war crimes to boot”. How do you want the posts please boiled, grilled or fried??
Mc D
Your posts do not read well and are crammed with excuses’ for the pharma paper lies,.
“Chatbot” ?Right I got you. I don`t think sooo?
Dedj
For what its worth ,I have tried to post a CHS article on here explaining links to Thorsen .
“Because you raised the issue that they were all based around Thorsens work, implied that his work was fraudulent, and that therefore these studies were:”
As I posted Thorsen is a psychiatrist, tell me when psychiatrists qualified to write toxicology reports, ?And I had better not mention Deers credentials or the post won`t go up.
Correctly so,I used the word Shangri-La .Firstly and jointly I was going to write Utopia as the metaphor because this Madsen study by psychiatrist Thorsen was the imaginary place,study,situation where everything was perfect ,with the perfect answers to all the anti-vax ,crazy mob as you see, me,us,them. Why shouldn’t I use that its my blog,freedom of expression is still allowed on this site?
“Underhand” “ Dodgy” “Untrustworthy” You obviously have more experience than I.Dedj If you’re still reading, vaccines don’t cause autism, studies ,that crap, you are yourself evil and deserve to be burnt with the witches at the stake along with Offit and Thorsen. What I’m saying is that these studies calumnious slagheaps of used paper, that they are – all of them – apologists for Pharma Land, whose very existence relies upon liars , really have a lot more to worry about than, say, Enema productions,Why do you try to defend them,have you like Thorsen a financial interest in all this?. I haven`t not a cent.
As for “sticking up for it” (postings).How exactly is that possible, how can I, when everything I write ,with a reference is blocked? And if you don’t give a reference you’re a plagiarist?
I’m off to crack walnuts with my teeth its easier
Sincerely
Sniffer
Sniffer wrote:
“You just cant win on this site,and the motto is to ignore the evidence in the blog and shoot the messenger.
If I post web links such as Whale ,CHS,AOA,JABS and others , Chris and friends go apoplectic.” If I don’t URL the posts,”” I am then accused of plagiarism plus other anti-vax war crimes to boot”. How do you want the posts please boiled, grilled or fried??”
Could you point to me where someone responded to your links to those sites by going “apoplectic”? Please, point to where you, as “sniffer”, have received such responses? I’ve seen one comment from sniffer where you linked to AoA, and Dedj responded in a totally non “apoplectic” manner.
If, however, you have received bad responses to the links you provide under another pseudonym, that would be another story entirely, wouldn’t it?
Yep it is slow for me too.
It always takes ages for me to load LBRB. Has been for a year or so, since I started visiting. Doesn’t stop me though.
Guys, I know LBRB has been slow loading for awhile now and I’m trying to get to the bottom of it. It may be:
a) Hosting
b) Database issues
c) A script on the site
d) imagery or other external files.
e) All of the above or some mix thereof
I’ve been trying for awhile now to isolate the causes but its proving problematic. Rest assured though, I am looking and won;t stop till the answer is found.
Thanks Kev, no matter it’s always worth the wait.
Dear Sullivan,
One example below…earlier posts by Chris, bans WHALE etc..could go on.Not just aimed at me sadly to say. I am fairly new to this site and I have noticed the same disparaging ,derogatory, evil, remarks to various posters.For a 5 day period it seemed that I was the only one on here .
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2011/02/sloppy-science-a-perfect-example-of-how-the-anti-vaccine-crowd-will-listen-to-anything/
Dear All,
Daedelus has the whole world population in a sentence(excluding the regulars on here).
“The anti-vax advocates don’t have any data, they don’t have any science, all they have are their feelings that somehow, someway vaccines are bad.”
Sharon just now is interested in Autism .
@sniffer, may I ask what your interest in Autism is?”
Chris doesn’t know whether he’s Arfur or Marfur.
“Sniffer, thalidomide is off topic”
follows with
“I am convinced Sniffer did not want to discuss his pet interest.”
Make yer! mind up lad!!
McD Wants a reply-ish.
David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.
Just wants me to F++K OFF
“Do us all a favour, sniffer: fuck off out of here, and get a life, and – if you must blog on thalidomide issues (in and of itself, not a bad thing to blog about) – blog on your own blog!”
Dammed if do comment,dammed if don`t .I have no wish to be goaded ,or to annoy anyone on here.So I shall reply and then let you nice,charming people ,pick up where you left off with all the other bl-o-ge—r`s but, where are they? I am the only one on here for days??all been f+++ed off no doubt?(Davids lingo)
Sorry I will leave you guys to have a chat and whether you want me to reply..do let me know..unitl then.
Sincerely
Sniffer
“As I posted Thorsen is a psychiatrist, tell me when psychiatrists qualified to write toxicology reports, ?And I had better not mention Deers credentials or the post won`t go up.”
Aside from the very obvious fact that it was not a toxicology report (have you even read the paper? I suspect you haven’t) , this wasn’t the concern you initially raised, nor does it answer the questions Chris and I have put to you.
If you cannot directly support your posistion, you had best not mention it again.
“Why do you try to defend them,have you like Thorsen a financial interest in all this?”
I haven’t defended them at all, as you would have noted had you arsed yourself to put some decent effort in.
Questioning you and your poor argumentation style is not showing support for any opposite arguement, real or imagined.
Given that your only reference of note thus far has been a link to a rather bad AoA article (is there any other type?), and your extensive level of dishonesty which you have displayed in your entire posting history here, I hold no faith in your claim that you have even made any legitimate references – much less that they have been blocked. It’s the ‘the dog ate my homework’ excuse of the blogosphere.
The fact that you moan about being blocked if you url the references is a strong indication that your only references are to online newspapers, and that you do not know how else to provide a reference. This is a good sign that you do not have experience in reading and referencing professional level literature, as there are already established protocols for referencing weblinks in text.
It must be difficult for ‘sniffer’ to compose responses, I’ve just tried typing with my nose and it’s not easy. So I think credit is due. Nevertheless references to ” Whale ,CHS,AOA,JABS” do not meet need for authoritative citations. I’ve just taken a look at Whale, I’ll spare you all the URL – but ‘sniffer’, please tell us about “LUCIFERIAN SYMBOLISM”, “WHALE Orgone” and other bizarre stuff on the website as you must think it’s a reliable source.
Operating the space bar is so much easier using finger-tips.
Brian Morgan,
note the story change from Sniffer: “One example below…earlier posts by Chris, bans WHALE etc..could go on.Not just aimed at me sadly to say.” Now it is not that he/she has had problems with linking to those sites, but that earlier posts, “not just aimed at me” give negative reactions to links to those sites. I guess “sniffer”, who is “new to the site”, went back through the older comments.
He/she can “go on” about the responses. But what he she can not do is substantiate the statement “If I post web links such as Whale ,CHS,AOA,JABS and others , Chris and friends go apoplectic.” Sniffer has posted nothing about JABS. One link to AoA, which was refuted without anyone going “apoplectic” and a comment about whale, which, given the nature of the site (hosting anti Semitic junk), was quite restrained. I know I have deleted a comment linking to CHS because, quite frankly, I consider links to that site as spam, and the link gave no other information than the link.
I don’t see anything where sniffer has been called out for plagiarism for blanketly copying from other sites. I do know of other commenters who used that tactic and were called out. But that was before sniffer, new to the site, showed up.
Sniffer may just be the next in line promoting that site. I don’t really care. He/she is about as informative as the CHS team and AWOL.
@sniffer, as I have explained previously I am genuinely interested to know what your interest in Autism is. I note you have not answered this very simple question.
Dear Dedj,
I’m amazed that so many people on lbrb believe they’re not a part of this crime.
Side issue, I posted earlier on this blog and it’s still not appeared. The same happened to the post above your answering now which was posted 24 hrs earlier. Along with two other posts yesterday that have still not appeared.
I notice lbrb regulars are complaining of the slowness etc of the lbrb site, maybe “they”, the anti vaccinators have hacked the site? You seemed well versed ‘the dog ate my homework’ Dedj, you must be an expert on this ;as well .
Of course, it was a toxicology report you numbskull, is mercury not toxic .
Let me explain, and quote within the guide lines of your`s, Chris, and other`s Totalitarianism ,and use a URL, and not use, AOA, and not use CHS, and not use Whale, and not use “online newspapers”, lets try this messenger..(the content is the same wherever you care to blog.)
http://blog.ncpad.org/2011/04/18/autism-researcher-accused-of-embezzling-over-1-million-from-research-grant/
“ .. Thorsen’s research findings were key to the CDC’s claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders. His studies claimed that MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for all children. In fact, Thorsen’s 2003 Danish study actually reported “a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines.” Therefore, Thorsen claimed that mercury could not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic. CDC has long touted the study as the principal proof that mercury-laced vaccines are safe for infants and young children. Mainstream media, particularly the New York Times, has relied on this study as the basis for its public assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury — a potent neurotoxin — at concentrations hundreds of times over the U.S. safety limits.”
Then go to the bottom of the page and click the yellow orange writing “Put Children First reported”
ok! Takes you to”put children first .org”,
on that page The choice is yours,take your pick ,click any one of the links a nice one is the “The Mercury In Medicine report” (report in red ) it quotes below
“Recommendations to which the majority of states defer when determining mandates. Since the early to mid–1990s, Congress has been concerned about the danger posed by mercury in medical applications, and in 1997, directed the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to evaluate the human exposure to mercury through foods and drugs. In 1999, following up on the FDA”
Now if you can’t see that Thorsen is just the tip of the iceberg at the CDC you do really need to go to Specsavers.
What counts is not the names on the paper; what counts is: Who paid the money Dedj for the studies?The answer to that is ‘The CDC,’”
This in turn ties Thorsen in with the CDC gangsters, who have been controlling the data on “mercury and vaccines are safe” ,for decades.
As I reported Thorsen is going to spill the beans on the CDC another reason the US want him back they will probably kill him in prison, heart attack caused by no sleep, stress, it’s the favourite.
Now, where was that list on lbrb that was posted of all the Autism studies before the Thorsen study the “shagrila utopia masterlass fraud”?T
All, were being held up because they were before Thorsen but ,the people that controlled Thorsen were not Mungo and Midge but, the CDC Mungo and Midge have more credence.
Which one wasn’t influenced by Thorsens paymaster generals at the CDC?
Which one, of the reports before Thorsen weren’t influenced by the CDC?
just one..not two ,just one, only one? In other words as Thorsen did, just follow orders from CDC Generals or else..
Maybe he/she is AWOL and other people too?
Brian Morgan,
who knows. His/her story isn’t consistent. Cut from the same cloth.
Sorry, that was a bit too terse.
I don’t think Sniffer’s story is consistent at all. I think he/she slipped a bit there and could very well be an “old friend”. If not, he/she is certainly cut from the same cloth. Perhaps I’m just being extra careful given the way that CHS and AWOL abuse this site in the past. I let that go on way too long.
“Of course, it was a toxicology report you numbskull,….”
It clearly wasn’t, as indicated by the title, method and hypothesis.
Do you even know what a toxicology report is? I highly doubt it.
“on that page The choice is yours,take your pick ,click any one of the links a nice one is the “The Mercury In Medicine report” (report in red ) it quotes below”
Interesting that a quick search turns up nothing remotely like you describe. Irrelvancy aside, this was not what you were asked for.
Try again.
Properly this time.
Brian you determine what you like about Whale dont let the bullies lead you.
Sharon, Just the fact interests me ,and telling the truth concerning vaccines and drugs.Why I am here ,I am working that mathematical puzzle out just now.
Sullivan
Once again your more concerned with who comes on here than the blogged content.Its a bit along the lines of the hit list that Merck had of doctors who must be destroyed at home,if need be.
You gather a list up, “and” the hate just spews out from you concerning anyone who is on it.Your not interested in the truth anymore you’re well past that.
Sincerely
Sniffer
Dear Dedj,
Thorsen`s, Harley, House etc seemed to have come out of a brilliant ,clear blue sky but, in fact, these monstrous ill-gotten-gains flew out of a swamp of bitterness and hatred and anger which exists against the CDC with in the vaccinated in the Developed world (because of) the corruption of western vaccine policy, and from a man who was pushed just to far and knows he has the CDC over a barrel. I cant wait for his court time if he makes it alive before the CDC/US kill him.
Sincerely
Sniffer
Sullivan:
The typing style varies quite a bit. There seem to be posts with consistent grammar, and sometimes those with extra commas. I don’t where he gets the idea I “ban” anything. I will disregard certain websites because I have issues with their veracity. If I am “apoplectic” it is due to laughter at the thought whale.to or CHS would be taken seriously.
I don’t know why I am being discussed because I have only asked Sniffer one question. A question he has not answered. He only falsely claimed the studies were built around the Danish studies, even though some came before (early one Brent Taylor has results that differed from Wakefield, and he also worked at the Royal Free).
He is obviously not participating in a discussion, making false statements (as before) and is trying to distract like he did before. So I shall ignore everything from him except an answer to my question.
Sniffer: “I cant wait for his court time if he makes it alive before the CDC/US kill him.”
Based on this alone, I think you need to take a deep breath and reexamine whether you’re looking at respectable information or if you’ve gone into conspiracy-theory land, because right now no one is taking you seriously.
@sniffer, OK so you are not interested in Autism. You are interested in vaccines, and the harm you think they cause? Is that correct? If this is a right interpretation I wonder about your audacity to assume this is the best venue for you to trumpet your ideas.
I do not believe vaccines had any role in my sons development of Autism. But lets just play hypothetical for a minute and say I did. What would your contribution to this website offer me? What do you hope to achieve by posting here? What benefit would there be even if you could convince at least one of us you are right?
@sniffer,
“Now if you can’t see that Thorsen is just the tip of the iceberg at the CDC you do really need to go to Specsavers.”
Let’s go over this: In the transaction in question, the CDC paid NOTHING to Thorsen. Thorsen received money from AARHUS UNIVERSITY for grants supposedly originating from the CDC that the agency REFUSED to honor. That is presumably why he is being charged with “wire fraud” rather than theft, as the US government wouldn’t have jurisdiction to preoecute him for stealing money from other Danes. Thus, any and all talk about Thorsen being “bribed” by the CDC only makes those doing the talking look stupid.
Otherwise, I could appreciate your sentiment. I have no doubt there is a lot more to this story. I would not even be averse to speaking of a “coverup”. (I was the one who had to wait more than a month just for Aarhus to answer my questions about whether a document was actually theirs!) But I don’t see any need to search for any motive for any party except varying combinations of greed, incompetence and cowardice.
You know the saying that if enough monkeys sat at keyboards they’d turn out a Shakespeare play. There might be the occasional extra space or comma or two of course.
Brian: You are quite right. Look at what I found, by a rhesus macaque.
“To be, or not to be. That is the grympgsc xshu shyyyyy xxxx\\”
Dear David ,
I agree all, very obfuscating but the CDC funded the project; that NAAR supplemented.Then in 2007 Thorsen got $8 million dollar grant by the CDC
http://www.autismspeaks.org/inthenews/naar_archive/mmr_no_association.php
Which is all a side issue,the real issue is all the diffrent individuals involved in the manslaughter of children that held Thorsens work up as the “special one” the study that was definitive .
In reality the unsafe reports and studies were just a product of money fraud with not a smidgen of science about them,only twisted epidemiology studies from Denmark.
Sincerely
Sniffer
Sniffer, several of the reports that refute the MMR-Autism hypothesis occurred BEFORE Thorsen came on the scene. In addition, and as ahs been pointed out on this blog, Thorsen was not a main author on any of the Papers.
Finally, please justify your charges of “twisted epidemology” or we will assume that you extracted your data from your rectum.