Autism vs features of autism

14 Mar

In sum, DVIC has concluded that the facts of this case meet the statutory criteria for demonstrating that the vaccinations CHILD received on July 19, 2000, significantly aggravated an underlying mitochondrial disorder, which predisposed her to deficits in cellular energy metabolism, and manifested as a regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder.


If one has the right set of “features” of autism, one has autism……Hannah Poling has autism — as defined in every book, in every library, in every university in the world. Dr. Parikh’s insistence otherwise is perplexing.

– David Kirby, to EoH group in response to Dr. Parikh’s article in Salon.

Its a massively ambiguous point. Do ‘features of autism’ equate to a _diagnosis_ of autism? David Kirby and some commenter’s to this site say ‘yes’. I personally think ‘no’.

But I think we need to be clear here. In this particular case, Hannah Poling can still be autistic but the HHS are arguing (in my opinion) that the features listed as those being aggravated/caused by vaccines do not add up to enough by themselves to give a diagnosis of autism.

To illustrate this idea, I went through the symptoms given by Dr Zimmerman that he put forward as being vaccine aggravated in a previous post (green = hit with DSM (IV), red = miss):

1) Loss of previously acquired language
2) Eye Contact
3) Relatedness
4) disruption in CHILD’s sleep patterns,
5) Persistent screaming
6) Arching
7) the development of pica to foreign objects,
8) loose stools
9) CHILD watched the fluorescent lights repeatedly during the examination

So, three of the symptoms given by Dr Zimmerman as being vaccine aggravated can be matched with the DSM (IV). This is way below what is needed for a diagnosis of autism.

But, we cannot discount the idea that she _could be_ autistic. To me, it seems likely that here is an autistic child who has her vaccines and who presents with nine symptoms following those vaccines, three of which tally with DSM (IV) criteria.

This presents two questions. First, is there a difference made by autism diagnosticians about autistic features vs a diagnosis of autism?

The best way to answer this is to ask autism diagnosticians. I wrote to some autism diagnosticians. They asked to remain anonymous, which I have to respect. The email I sent in essence asked them if they thought that:

a) ‘with features of autism spectrum disorder’ is directly equivalent to a diagnosis of autism?
b) ‘with features of autism spectrum disorder’ means that some elements of the DSM (IV) are present but not enough to diagnose autism?
c) ‘with features of autism spectrum disorder’ means that some elements of the DSM (IV) are present but not enough to diagnose ASD?
d) ‘with features of autism spectrum disorder’ means something else entirely?

The responses I got back stated that b) was most likely, maybe c) .

So according to these autism diagnosticians, some elements of the DSM (IV) are present but not enough to diagnose autism, or possibly ASD. This tallies with my own personal opinion.

The second question is; did Hannah Poling present with any diagnosable symptoms of autism _before_ her vaccines? Sadly, it seems we will never accurately know the answer to this question. The Poling’s will say no of course. David Kirby et al will say no of course.

I will remember the Cedillo’s however, who testified that their daughter (who they claimed was made autistic by vaccines) showed no symptoms of autism before her vaccines were administered. However, when home movies of their daughter taken before her vaccines were shown to several diagnosticians, they testified that she was indeed exhibiting symptoms of autism prior to vaccine administration. The Cedillo’s didn’t lie. Its simply not possible to remain clinically objective about one’s own child. Even for an employee of Johns Hopkins, it is not possible to remain objective about one’s own child.

That doesn’t mean Hannah Poling _did_ exhibit symptoms of autism prior to vaccines of course. It simply means that we need to be skeptical of the claim that she didn’t.

Is Hannah Poling autistic? Could be. Seems likely.

Did the vaccines cause the nine symptoms Dr Zimmerman found? HHS ‘concede’ they did.

Do the fact that three of those nine symptoms tally with the DSM (IV) mean that the vaccines are the cause of her autism? No, thats not logical.

54 Responses to “Autism vs features of autism”

  1. Kev April 4, 2008 at 13:47 #

    Do you understand that I’m agreeing with your broader point? Or are you just looking for a row? So far I’ve been tolerant. Now I’m just getting annoyed. Wait until I disagree with you until you challenge me. Challenging someone who is agreeing with you is just stupid.

  2. BKP April 4, 2008 at 15:08 #

    Certainly, I understand that you are agreeing with my broader point. I also understand that to do so, you must contradict your previous statements.

    I am challenging you, but perhaps not in the way that you think. Because what I don’t understand is why you berate other people for putting forth weak arguments and then treat them to the very same logical fallacy that you exposed in them. This is the very definition of arrogance. Is this the kind of man you are?

    You take a very condescending and superior posture with those people who disagree with you, even though your arguments are cut from the same cloth. What I am challenging you to do is to measure your own arguments against the same standard you hold others to. I think that this would make your blog much more honest, if less inflammatory, and much more meaningful as a source of information for those who, like yourself, are dealing with the issues and challenges that having a child on the spectrum offers.


  3. Kev April 4, 2008 at 15:35 #

    Brian – I think you’re just trolling for a row. You are, my friend, a silly pointless little nitpicker who is picking up on quite possibly _the least_ important point and using it to manufacture a row in order to stroke your ego. Your knowledge of what constitutes a logical error and what constitutes the passing of an opinion is frighteningly inept.

    That’s fine – if you’re into pointlessness (as you very well seem to be) then please go go be pointless somewhere else.



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