Polly Tommey won’t judge parents who murder their disabled children. That’s part of the problem

13 Jul

Let’s just jump right to the video clip. Because it needs no introduction, it is just so wrong:

The speaker is Polly Tommey. Polly Tommey has a long history of bad autism advocacy. When people think of the autism parents who just do advocacy wrong, they are thinking of people like Polly Tommey. She’s been a voice in the “vaccines-cause-autism” movement for a long time. She’s worked with Andrew Wakefield (whose unethical actions in relation to disabled patients at his hospital lost him his medical license. To name one of his many failures). This in itself demonstrates bad judgement and poor reasoning. Recall that Andrew Wakfield fictionalized an account of a parent murdering her autistic child, framing it as an act of love.

But the low point of Polly Tommey’s advocacy career came when she and Andrew Wakefield “helped” a family in crisis. They were working on a reality TV show (that failed to get off the ground) called the Autism Team. The idea was simple: find a family with an autistic child who is in need of help. Swoop in with Team Wakefield, blame vaccines, claim it’s all about gastrointestinal issues, claim to have helped the family and move on to the next. But it all fell apart with one family–that of Alex Spourdalakis. In the autism community, a community were people have extraordinary needs, Alex had extraordinary needs. What he didn’t need was for his mother to be fed false hopes and bad advice, which is what Team Wakefield did. What he didn’t need was for Team Wakefield to walk away to their next project, leaving his mother with nothing when the hope they were sold proved false.

Alex was murdered. Brutally murdered. By his mother and another caregiver. Alex was poisoned. When that failed to kill him, he was stabbed. Repeatedly. His wrist was slit to the bone. By his mother and caregiver. Alex bled to death, leaving a grisly scene for when his father, estranged from the mother, found him.

The fact that Polly Tommey won’t face up to her abject failure with Alex Spourdalakis is not surprising. It is also not surprising that Polly Tommey won’t judge the people who committed that brutal murder, or any other murder by a parent of an autistic child. Not surprising, but an example of the failure of Polly Tommey and other faux autism advocates to actually stand up and lead. How hard is it to say, “No! Murder is wrong”?

Polly Tommey met Alex Spourdalakis. But she “won’t judge” the person who plunged a knife into his chest. She won’t judge the person who poisoned him. She won’t judge the person who slit his wrist.

No, she won’t judge Alex’s murderers. Instead she and Wakefield capitalized on the tragedy to make “documentary”, taking Alex’s story to promote their own agenda.

Ms. Tommey tells us to check the web for stories. I searched for: autism parent murder child. First hit was this article: “Please Don’t Murder Us” Shouldn’t Be Controversial. Autistic people don’t share your views, Ms. Tommey. Autistic people don’t think we should stand back and “not judge” murderers.

Check the web, Ms. Tommey, and you will find the story of Katie McCarron.

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Katie was murdered by a mother who wanted a non disabled child. Katie, suffocated in a plastic bag by one of the people she most loved. Katie, who should be a beautiful young teenager today. Katie, whose mother felt that vaccinating her child made her responsible for Katie’s autism. Yes, the vaccination myth you, Polly Tommey, promote played into Katie’s murder. While Katie’s mother was suffocating her with a plastic bag, Katie struggled to get free, leaving teeth marks on the bag. She suffered. She feared.

Katie’s family (not counting her mother) loved her. She was valued. Her father stated, “If the measure of a person’s life could be quantified by the number of people that loved them, then Katie, in her brief 3 1/2 years, achieved well beyond all of us.”

Polly Tommey why won’t you judge Katie’s mother? Why won’t you stand up and say, “this is wrong”? Why not stand with Katie’s father?

Keep searching the web, Ms. Tommey and you will find London McCabe.

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He loved hats. More importantly, he was loved. Valued. His father is quoted as saying that London was his whole world. That he will miss London forever.

London McCabe’s mother took him to a bridge and pushed him over the rail. He fell over 100 feet, landing in a river. He not only had the fall to know that his own mother had pushed him over, he survived the fall, suffering multiple broken bones. He died from drowning. London McCabe suffered. He suffered fear. He suffered pain. He suffered betrayal. His mother had planned the murder, researched how to get off with an insanity defense (which thankfully failed).

But outright premeditated murder isn’t something you can judge, Ms. Tommey?

When you say, “I won’t judge”, you are saying, “autistics have such hard lives that killing them can be justified in some cases”. You were probably thinking of people like Alex, whose challenges were great. But you were wrong. Alex deserved his chance. He deserved his life. But even in your twisted logic, why can’t you bring yourself to judge Katie’s mother? London’s mother?

You and your new friend Del Bigtree are trying to make a name for yourselves with all your talk of freedom we Americans value so strongly. Let me remind you of the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

All men are created equal. And the first of the “unalienable rights” is life.

Alex Spourdalakis was created equal. He had a right to life.

Katie McCarron was created equal. She had a right to life.

London McCabe was created equal. He had a right to life.

All people with disabilities are created equal. All have a right to life. A many are murdered. Why don’t you stand with them? Why do you stand with those who murder?

The phrase “parental rights” doesn’t exist in the Constitution. As a parent I am not endowed with the right to chose life or death for my child. Until you understand that, all your “freedom” rhetoric is, frankly, just a bullshit public relations effort.

When you refuse to judge, you enable. You make it just that little bit easier for parents and other caregivers to murder.

My kid faces an uncertain future. A future where abuse and murder are real possibilities. My kid needs advocates who will stand up for him and his rights. If I do wrong by my son, damned right someone should judge me. Because if we refuse to judge parents, we say it’s acceptable to commit murder. It’s acceptable to treat autistics as less valuable, less human, less deserving of basic human rights.

It is perfectly acceptable, even important, to judge others when they fail. Ms. Tommey, in case it isn’t clear, I’m judging you right now.

By Matt Carey

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92 Responses to “Polly Tommey won’t judge parents who murder their disabled children. That’s part of the problem”

  1. reissd July 13, 2016 at 19:59 #

    Thank you for speaking up so powerfully for these children, murdered by those they should have been able to trust. This post was heart-rending.

  2. Patricia July 13, 2016 at 20:55 #

    Reblogged this on Spectrum Perspectives and commented:
    TW – murder, ableism/murder-excusing.

  3. Judith July 13, 2016 at 22:08 #

    Thank you for speaking up for the victims. It’s hard to read about such terrible things.

  4. cphickie July 13, 2016 at 22:19 #

    There is no excusing what Tommey says. Thank you for calling it out for all the evil it is.

  5. autistasangeles July 13, 2016 at 23:12 #

    Reblogged this on autistasangeles.

  6. Fiona O'Leary July 14, 2016 at 00:38 #

    Excellent Article, this woman is horrendous and her Charity should be shut down!

    • Chris July 14, 2016 at 01:41 #

      Why do you think we should take you seriously when you just posted a series of insults?

    • Fiona O'Leary July 14, 2016 at 01:54 #

      Wow Sharon well done, you really are such a great writer 🙂

    • Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 03:04 #

      Oh this isn’t insulting, this is the truth, Chris. I am not a great writer, Fiona, I am just simply reporting on you.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:42 #

        “Oh this isn’t insulting, this is the truth, Chris. I am not a great writer, Fiona, I am just simply reporting on you.”

        And yet you take issue with me reporting on, and strongly disagreeing with, Polly Tommey.

    • Science Mom July 14, 2016 at 06:10 #

      Sharon Findlay you’re a bloody, talentless, infantile bint. Shame on you for trying to hijack a thread to showcase your rot.

    • reissd July 14, 2016 at 08:22 #

      Why is this badly written, imaginary screed attempting to personally attack Ms. O’Leary (attempting, because I doubt anyone would take it very seriously) in any way relevant to the topic at hand?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:34 #

        Why is this badly written, imaginary screed attempting to personally attack Ms. O’Leary (attempting, because I doubt anyone would take it very seriously) in any way relevant to the topic at hand?

        I’ll answer that question: It isn’t.

        Yes, I know it was a rhetorical question, but repeating the question for emphasis seemed appropriate.

    • Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 08:50 #

      Isn’t it interesting that you bitches are willing to defame someone based on lies, but object so strongly to the truth ?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 15:55 #

        Point out a lie. What do you believe is the “truth”?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:31 #

        Isn’t it interesting that you bitches are willing to defame someone based on lies, but object so strongly to the truth ?

        Again, the truth is that Polly Tommey downplays murder by stating that she won’t judge the murderer.

        Again, why do you stand with her on this? Why not stand with the victims?

    • reissd July 14, 2016 at 08:53 #

      So far, you have pointed to nothing incorrect in the post above, and have provided vitriol rather than facts. And again, you have completely ignored the topic at hand, which is the murder of autistic children by their parents and the implied support of it.

      That’s not a good way to claim the mantle of truth.

  7. Destiny Campbell July 14, 2016 at 01:12 #

    This broke my heart to read but it needed to be said. This was so well written and such a powerful message. Thank you so much for using the power of your words to talk about the real victims in all of this. Polly Tommey, the autistic community certainly judges you, your twisted dismissive and silencing views and your poor excuse for a charity.

  8. Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 01:20 #

    This is a terrible tragedy. However, reading this you would think that Polly killed the child. It seems both hateful and childish to blame Polly to me. Let’s promote autism acceptance and help families rather than being hateful.

    • Chris July 14, 2016 at 01:46 #

      She contributed to the events that precipitated in the death of Alex Spourdalakis. She and Wakefield exploited that family, and in the end did absolutely nothing helpful but made things worse.

      “Let’s promote autism acceptance and help families rather than being hateful.”

      Are you the same “Sharon Findlay” that posted that rather hateful screed about Ms. O’Leary?

      • Fiona O'Leary July 14, 2016 at 02:04 #

        Chris yes she is!
        She’s a Troll and likes to slander Autistic Advocates!

      • Chris July 14, 2016 at 02:21 #

        So she enjoys being hateful. Interesting.

      • Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 03:06 #

        Nothing hateful Chris, just the truth.

      • Chris July 14, 2016 at 04:29 #

        “… just the truth.”

        So calling people names like “ENEMA”, “FEE-OH-NO” and “DIMMER” is the truth?

        So what is the weather like on Htrae?

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 17:02 #

      “However, reading this you would think that Polly killed the child”

      I suggest you either reread the article or learn how to read for accuracy.

      That message is neither implicit nor implied in the above article.

  9. Jonathan July 14, 2016 at 04:40 #

    It is sad that Carey has got this SO SO wrong about one of the most loving, caring individuals on this planet. Polly is a mother with a vaccine injured son, later diagnosed with autism and has lived a life full of the most difficult challenges associated with raising a child with autism. I doubt Carey has lived one day rasing a child with special needs so it does not seem appropriate or relevant that he attacks Polly with his malicious lies and false associations.
    As a mother Polly has spoken openly to thousands of parents like her faced with the many challenges associated with autism and has publically spoken about her own experiences and has shared the many stories experiencedby fellow parents in her position. Parents are concerned about their children’s futures as facilities and services are already limited for the majority and again she has plans to build futures with purpose for individuals and their families living with autism. She also founded the brilliant magazine autism file and this has become a lifeline to so many parents who are searching for support. Carey you do not know Polly, you have misrepresented her in this article and again have tried to present her to your audience as a person that she certainly is not and will never be.
    I know this person and understand this person better than anyone else on this planet and yet again you aim to distort the truth rather than speak it.

    • SullivanThePoop July 14, 2016 at 05:01 #

      Polly’s own actions show her to be the opposite of a good person and her child is not vaccine injured

    • reissd July 14, 2016 at 05:23 #

      Do you also support the view that parents who murder their autistic children should not be judged (and by implication, the murders not condemned)? Or are you claiming Ms. Tommey did not make that statement?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:38 #

        Do you also support the view that parents who murder their autistic children should not be judged (and by implication, the murders not condemned)? Or are you claiming Ms. Tommey did not make that statement?

        Interesting how those defending Ms. Tommey refuse to address this point. Or even acknowledge that is the core of the article above.

        Suggests that they realize how problematic the statement is. Either they don’t want to be on record disagreeing with Ms. Tommey, or they don’t want to be on record agreeing with her.

        So instead of showing some courage (either statement would take courage they apparently lack), they use this as a platform to attack Fiona O’Leary.

    • reissd July 14, 2016 at 05:24 #

      Pushing parents into the arms of the vaccines-cause-autism community – with its guilt, anger and bitterness and its vulnerability to sham biomed treatments – isn’t helping them. Quite the opposite. Speaking up repeatedly in that way isn’t really to Ms. Tommey’s credit.

    • Science Mom July 14, 2016 at 06:08 #

      I doubt Carey has lived one day rasing a child with special needs so it does not seem appropriate or relevant that he attacks Polly with his malicious lies and false associations.

      How pathetic of you to even attempt to deride Matt about “not knowing Polly Tommey”, when you couldn’t be arsed to find out who Matt Carey is. We all know who Polly Tommey is and she exploits her son for her own notoriety. A son she is supposed to protect and respect his right to privacy and dignity as a human being. If anything Matt was restrained; I won’t be. She is a vile parasite feeding off the desperation of parents.

    • Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 08:28 #

      Yes, it is understandable that many don’t agree with her stance on vaccinations. However, the hateful smear campaign, based on no evidence whatsoever, from Fiona O’leary and her cronies, is despicable. They are a pack of hateful witches with no regard for anyone but themselves.

      • reissd July 14, 2016 at 08:43 #

        This post calls out – powerfully – Ms. Tommey’s refusal to condemn autistic parents murdering their children.

        It has nothing to do with your desire to attack Ms. O’Leary. It’s focusing on the murdered children, and your behavior here seems to completely ignore them.

        Frankly, using this as a platform for an unrelated personal attack, ignoring the serious issue, not saying one word that suggests you care that children were murdered by the parents, reflects on you. Not in any way on Ms. O’Leary.

      • tummayo July 14, 2016 at 09:12 #

        The “Smear campaign” is directed at Fiona O’Leary due to her dedicated work in exposing the exploitation and demonisation of Autistic children by self serving vaccine causation conspiracists who push families into the charlatans world of the lucrative Biomedical industry. One who refuses the condemn murder of children, one who pushes an agenda of fear to drive parents away for the safety of proven interventions and into the arm of experimental quackery deserves no respect. You who are blindly or intentionally missing these facts are also to blame.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 15:56 #

        Look above

        I take a stance on her downplay of murder.

        The question on the table is why don’t you?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:33 #

        What does the above article have to do with Fiona O’Leary?

        I’ll answer for you: nothing?

        So the fact that you chose this discussion to post this:

        Yes, it is understandable that many don’t agree with her stance on vaccinations. However, the hateful smear campaign, based on no evidence whatsoever, from Fiona O’leary and her cronies, is despicable. They are a pack of hateful witches with no regard for anyone but themselves.

        Suggests that you are trolling the web to smear Ms. O’Leary.

    • cphickie July 14, 2016 at 09:10 #

      You get dumb sh** of the day award “jonathan” for not knowing or caring that Matt has a son with autism.

    • Sharon Findlay July 14, 2016 at 09:57 #

      If you read the article properly, reissd, you would realise that it unfairly suggests that Polly is a contributing factor in the death of Katie. The article and the proceeding comments are vitriolic, not mine. There is no evidence to suggest that Polly is in any way responsible, so the article and many of these comments, are very unfair, and unkind. My statements about Fiona are purely evidence based. Why don’t you do some of your own research ?

      • Jerome July 14, 2016 at 10:02 #

        The above so called ‘article’ on the Polly woman has the stamp and style of Fiona O’Leary all over it. O’Leary has honed in on this woman as she runs a successful Autism Charity in the UK. Unable to get the mainstream media to print her vitriol she only has online sites such as this one to pedal her wares to where some bloggers will allow her a platform for click bait and to drive traffic to otherwise obscure sites. Move along people nothing to see here that you haven’t already seen from the O’Leary state circus (state being the operative word here) Fiona and I used to be close until she killed me! Stabbed in the back while I was lying in the arms of Mary. Now the lights shine down the valley no more.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 15:51 #

        “The above so called ‘article’ on the Polly woman has the stamp and style of Fiona O’Leary all over it”

        That’s a new conspiracy theory.

        I’ve been told I’m paid (I’m not)

        I’ve been told I’m an “astroturfer” (ironic for a journalist to show she can’t understand what she reads)

        I’ve been told I am Bonnie Offit.

        I’ve been told o am Brian Deer.

        But now I’m Fiona O’Leary?

        I take that as a compliment. It’s not accurate but it’s a compliment after the good Fiona O’Leary has done.

      • reissd July 14, 2016 at 10:02 #

        The only contribution attributed to Ms. Tommey is promoting the myth that vaccines cause autism – something she clearly does.

        You have pointed to nothing inaccurate in the article’s criticism of Ms. Tommey. You have provided no evidence. You attacked Ms. O’Leary with low-grade name calling.

        And I still have heard no word from you on the topic, the murder of autistic children by their parents.

      • reissd July 14, 2016 at 10:04 #

        The article above, as is clearly stated, is written by Dr. Matt Carey, autism dad and scientist.

        And again, I see no substantive countering of the points in it in this comment, either.

      • reissd July 14, 2016 at 14:44 #

        Wanting to believe every criticism of Ms. Tommey is from Fiona O’Leary doesn’t make it so – and doesn’t negate the criticism.

        You have pointed to nothing inaccurate in the article. The only link to Katie’s death is that Ms. Tommey promotes the debunked notion that vaccines cause autism. Do you deny that? Because there’s plenty of evidence of it.

        Nothing defamatory in the article. Truthful criticism is not defamation. If Ms. Tommey doesn’t like the criticism of her actions, maybe she should act differently.

        Coming onto this article and unloading a pile of content-empty invective on Ms. O’Leary doesn’t negate the criticism aimed at Ms. Tommey’s behavior.

        And still, you have said nothing to criticize the murder of these children.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 15:30 #

        Dorit Reiss “fancies herself as an intellectual”.

        Ever met Prof. Reiss? Ever talked to her? Have any links you can point to that support your attempt to put her down?

        Moreover have any facts to substantively respond to her points? If you did you would use them.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:27 #

        “If you read the article properly, reissd, you would realise that it unfairly suggests that Polly is a contributing factor in the death of Katie. If you read the article properly, reissd, you would realise that it unfairly suggests that Polly is a contributing factor in the death of Katie. ”

        I don’t know your definition of “properly”. So I’ll suggest to you: read for accuracy. Here is the sentence you seem focused upon:

        “Yes, the vaccination myth you, Polly Tommey, promote played into Katie’s murder.”

        It is accurate. Your portrayal of my words is not.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:00 #

      ” I doubt Carey has lived one day rasing a child with special needs”

      Why do you assume that? Because you think that all parents of special needs children would agree with Polly Tommey that we can’t judge child murderers?

      The minor point is that yes I do have a disabled child.

      The important point is that most of us in the parent community strongly disagree with Polly Tommey.

      The question is why don’t you?

      Why do you defend downplaying murder?

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:02 #

      What part of that video clip is a misrepresentation?

      Unlike her “autism media channel” I don’t edit her words. I don’t splice them or put them into conversations she didn’t have.

      She stated clearly that she will not judge those who murder their disabled children.

      Again, why are you defending that?

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 14, 2016 at 16:41 #

      “As a mother Polly has spoken openly to thousands of parents like her faced with the many challenges associated with autism”

      And it’s a shame she didn’t use that platform to provide accurate information and to advocate for a truly better life for the disabled.

      Pushing the failed vaccine causation idea doesn’t do any good.

      Downplaying the gravity of a parent murdering his/her disabled child doesn’t do any good.

      If you believe that “this person” is “better than anyone on the planet”, I disagree. Aside from her clearly misguided advocacy efforts, she is in no way better than my child.

    • Usual brilliantly written crap from LBRB July 15, 2016 at 12:10 #

      Just an ad hominem argument Jonathon. Picking apart the human rather than what she is advocating. Its a good sign though, that Matt is taking the time to write this crap. He must be getting desperate. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

      • reissd July 15, 2016 at 14:29 #

        Actually, reading the post shows clearly that it focuses on behavior, not on the human. And on something she is advocating – or at least, condoning, or not criticizing.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:59 #

        ” then they fight you, then you win.”

        This blog has been up since 2003. Almost all of that time countering the damaging misinformation. Hardly ignoring. Not fighting, but countering. And, how long exactly is this “we will win” supposed to take you guys?

        Perhaps if you had an accurate message you could/would win. But spreading the same misinformation year after year doesn’t “win” (what is this, anyway, a game to you guys?)

        I don’t laugh at Andrew Wakefield, Polly Tommey and the like. They are causing far to much damage to be funny.

        By the way–a recent email was sent out by Dan Olmsted claiming to be the longest running autism source…aside from many others I can think of, 2003 is years before AoA went online.

  10. reissd July 14, 2016 at 14:46 #

    This article gives voice to three autistic children cruelly murdered by their caregivers. It also criticizes a woman who refuses to condemn their murders. That’s the heart of it.

    With all due respect to Ms. O’Leary’s work, this article isn’t about her, either. It’s about the children.

    • Polly July 15, 2016 at 04:27 #

      Calm down everyone. Nobody should kill anyone- everyone should love one another and not judge one another- I think ultimately we are all on the same page. Protect, love and help people with autism live a safe, happy life with purpose and respect as we all deserve. Unity is key

      • reissd July 15, 2016 at 05:16 #

        I’m afraid it doesn’t work in this case. I agree the goal is to protect people with autism. Not judging parents who murder their autistic children does the opposite, encourages – or at least doesn’t deter – the next murderer. It’s also a direct wrong against the victim.

        Those seeking to protect children with autism must say clearly and loudly: murdering a child with autism is wrong. Inexcusable. Unforgivable. A crime and betrayal of trust.

        Anything less is both dangerous and inexcusable.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 18:11 #

        Prof Reiss, correct me if I am wrong here, but this also seems to go against the dramatic rhetoric that the Vaxxed team uses. Del Bigtree can’t seem to give a public performance without saying “this is the United States of America.”

        One thing that defines the United States of America, one thing our founders fought for and made damned sure would be codified in our constitution, was the jury trial. Which in essence means that we as Americans can and will judge our citizens. That guilt is determined by citizen peers.

      • Broken Link July 15, 2016 at 07:30 #

        Polly says “Nobody should kill anyone”, but above she is on record saying she won’t judge a parent who kills their autistic child. Which is it, Polly?

        “Everyone should love one another” is a platitude that may fool the thousands of parents you have spoken to, but it’s not an ethical stance. Some people should be judged, and that includes murderers. Please read this story and tell me if you feel a sense of judgement against the son.

        http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/rene-goudreau-set-fire-and-left-mom-to-die-crown-alleges

        If you do, and I think you should, perhaps you might examine why you are prepared to lack this sense of judgement when the victim is a child, and not an adult. Perhaps it is because you identify with the parent of an autistic child, but not with the son of a disabled mother?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 18:05 #

        “Polly says “Nobody should kill anyone”, but above she is on record saying she won’t judge a parent who kills their autistic child.”

        Exactly. Why didn’t she say, “Parents are killing their children. Nobody should kill anyone.” Full stop.?

        If you can’t bring yourself to judge someone, you don’t have to tell everyone “I for one will not judge them”. All that does is lower the bar for people contemplating murder. While portraying the speaker as somehow morally righteous for refusing to judge.

        Which, of course, is hypocritical in this case. Ms. Tommey has spent much of her advocacy, and certainly her effort with Vaxxed, judging people. She will judge researchers at the CDC (using misinformation) but not people who murder autistic children.

      • Epi Ren July 15, 2016 at 14:32 #

        Then why didn’t you say as much in the video (or, if you did, that was not the take-home message)?
        You know what is about unity? Herd immunity. (Heck, it’s got “unity” in the name.) But you seem perfectly comfortable spreading misinformation about vaccines so that herd immunity gets eroded to the point where children get hurt.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:53 #

        “Then why didn’t you say as much in the video”

        Even that would be weak. “don’t kill others, but if you do I won’t judge you”. What does that say?

      • Epi Ren July 16, 2016 at 23:49 #

        Can you imagine if that becomes some sort of a legal standard or viable criminal defense? “Your honor, the child had it coming. They were a tragedy, a burden, gone since the day they received their vaccines.” People like Polly need to think twice about wanting to live in that kind of a world.

      • Science Mom July 15, 2016 at 18:17 #

        Calm down everyone. Nobody should kill anyone- everyone should love one another and not judge one another- I think ultimately we are all on the same page. Protect, love and help people with autism live a safe, happy life with purpose and respect as we all deserve. Unity is key

        Why calm down Polly? Is some richly-deserved vitriol being hurled your way? What a weasel you are to declare we shouldn’t judge one another; I’ll bet that only applies when the judgement of you is being done. We all judge and pretending you won’t judge murderous parents demonstrates what a nasty, vile bint you are. We have all seen how you and your daughter Bella shamelessly exploit your son; your decision to do so is judgement, piss poor judgement though. You, Wakefield, Bigtree and your ilk are on the fringe of autism advocacy and you will remain there because of the damage you cause.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:41 #

        “Why calm down Polly?”

        “Calm down” is often used in debates to portray the opposing side as acting irrationally, and to portray the speaker as being in a commanding position.

        However, I do wonder if Ms. Tommey would agree that her supporters are not calm and are, in fact, stalking Fiona O’Leary. I would admit that this would be more difficult to see now that I have removed some of the worst comments from her supporters.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 18:31 #

        Polly,

        you are trying to avoid facing head on the points made above–why will you not judge those who murder autistics?

        You have made it your job to judge others. Vaxxed is nothing if not judging (based on misinformation) others. Your video where you claim the CDC are running a new Tuskegee experiment and that CDC researchers are worse than Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin is an extreme example of harsh judgment. So your moral high ground is lost.

        You chose where to judge. And you chose to not judge those who murder our own.

        I made the above difficult to read, and I did it calmly and for a purpose. This isn’t some antiseptic intellectual discussion. This is a discussion of people who end the lives of those we love, and often end them brutally.

        Katie McCarron suffered. Her mother suffocated her with a plastic bag. Katie had a long time to fight for her life, and to know that she was betrayed by her mother.

        I am 100% comfortable judging that mother.

        If I could go back in time to before Katie died, go back and give a talk before an audience where Katie’s mother was in attendance, I would make damned sure I made it clear that murder is wrong.

        Murder is wrong. That’s a judgment. Murderers have done wrong. That’s a judgment. And there is zero wrong with that. There is no moral high ground in refusing to do that. Quite the opposite.

        “I think ultimately we are all on the same page. Protect, love and help people with autism live a safe, happy life with purpose and respect as we all deserve.”

        Refusing to speak out against those who murder autistics is not protecting them. It is, in fact, the opposite. By publicly stating that parents who murder will not be judged, you lower the bar for those entertaining that horrific thought.

        So, no, we are not on the same page. You are wishing for something to happen (as you are doing) while your actions run exactly counter to that goal.

        I’ll take actions over wishes.

        Unity is key

        And you will be welcomed when you decided to join the autism community and leave the vaccine antagonistic community to a secondary role in your life.

  11. RTMan July 15, 2016 at 14:23 #

    Andrew Wakefield has been romanticizing the murder of disabled children for years. Somehow, in his twisted reality, he manages to describe the act of murdering Mark Young, an autistic 11 year old, as “keeping him safe” (from his nauseating book published in 2010).

    https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/10/28/wakefields-callous-introduction/

    • Narrow Minded July 16, 2016 at 12:32 #

      Lets get this right…You just said “Andrew Wakefield has been romanticizing the murder of disabled children for years” Having said that, taken the liberty of your own words and setting up a strawman you go on. You know, you are not doing yourself any favours in saying your piece that most resonable people will listen to, when you begin this way. If you have an issue, just say it and stop blaming Wakefield. Who says Matt is right. Matt will be the first person to say he is open to being wrong. Are you?

      • reissd July 16, 2016 at 12:39 #

        Have you read Callius Disregard? It opens with a romanticized story of a mother murdering her autistic son. Presenting the murder as a positive thing.

        I don’t see, with this year’s-old scene in a book Wakefield wrote, how anyone can disagree with the statement that he has been romanticizing the murder of disabled children for years.

        It’s a horrible scene, and direct legitimization of such a murder, presented as an act of love.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:36 #

        Here’s the introduction.

        He gives a fictionalized account of a mother jumping with her son to their deaths–murdering the child and committing suicide at the same time. Here is the final sentence

        She was ready. Falling ever faster, she pulled him to her, love and instinct keeping him safe.

        How is murdering one’s child “instinct”, “love” or “keeping him safe”?

        It isn’t. Parents are always right in Wakefield’s mind (except the majority of us who disagree with him, but he denies that fact). So much is his “the parents are always right” message that he supports them in murder.

        And that is plain wrong.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:38 #

        “Having said that, taken the liberty of your own words and setting up a strawman you go on. ”

        You have now been presented with Wakefield’s own words. Are you able to admit you are wrong now? After your comment it would seem hypocritical to do anything else.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:54 #

      Thanks for that RTMan. How Wakefield could write that and his proof readers not admonish him is beyond me.

  12. Kim July 15, 2016 at 18:12 #

    I don’t believe in judging other humans for their sins or wrongdoings because that makes me equal to them. What I will choose to do is fight for the rights of those I love and those who need our voices. Instead of allowing myself to judge in anger, I will rally against stupidly and bigotry. I won’t allow anger to turn me into somebody who personifies the evil that lives in this world. I’ll leave that for the people who choose to lie and mislead families onto dangerous paths filled with the myths and horrible science that is put out there so somebody else can feel less accountable for something they had nothing to do with in the first place; cause autism. Oh, there will be accountability and judgement and it will not come at my hand. I choose to let my children with autism know that they are perfect just the way they are and that the hurdles they have overcome may still be there ready to try and take them down, but they are stronger and loved so much that they aren’t fighting alone! I can’t imagine how much strength it takes to battle along the spectrum, the trials are all so different. It can’t be cured though, it’s not a disease that has a treatment or pill to fix it. But, it is a beautiful way to teach love. I’ve seen so many miracles along the way, none greater than the love that autism teaches. Patience is taught. Giving is taught. Sacrifice is taught. We, as non-autistics, are so special, so special that the love and gifts we receive by having these amazing people in our lives can’t be measured! If you are struggling and need help then please reach out to the community of love that is so much larger that the community of confusion and hurt. Love your special someone, I promise they love you.

    • Narrow Minded July 16, 2016 at 12:52 #

      I believe there is a correlation between vaccines and autism. However, the more I focus on this correlation the more I realise that the world is full of autistic kids – the oldest perhaps 20-25 and realise that, if, and that’s a big if considering the responses and passion of people like Matt who run this site for example, this is true then when we admit there is a problem, funding, support and education will flow like rivers to autistic people. If and if I am wrong and there is no correlation between vaccine and autism then funding, support and education should flow like rivers to autistic people because, at a climbing rate in our society currently at 68:1 (CDC) the world in front of us will be 1 autistic, 1 carer. We must learn about autism as quickly as we can so those that have it dont suffer and become productive members of our society and dont just stay home.

      • Lawrence July 16, 2016 at 13:09 #

        The rate of autism isn’t “climbing” – in fact, it has held steady for at least the last 4 years.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:30 #

        Narrow Minded/Why the Fuss/Deer is back,

        pick one pseudonym and stick with it. Pretending like you are multiple people will get you banned.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:52 #

      Keep in mind that to judge means “to come to a conclusion or opinion about”.

      If we can’t come to a conclusion or an opinion about someone who has killed another, when can we form conclusions or opinions?

      the irony here, of course, is that Ms. Tommey has made it her job to judge others. What is Vaxxed if not passing judgement on the CDC and many others?

    • Mel July 25, 2016 at 00:22 #

      Kim, what you said was beautiful. I agree. We are all humans who deserve to love and to be loved. Love is the greatest treasure of all humanity.

  13. cftxp July 16, 2016 at 15:58 #

    Reblogged this on Thoughts: By Chris and commented:
    Autism is not a death sentence and autism should not be the basis for forced euthanasia.

    • Mel July 25, 2016 at 00:24 #

      I agree.

  14. Brian Deer July 16, 2016 at 17:01 #

    Maybe you should all watch Wakefield in Grant Park Chicago, here:

    For years, Wakefield has accumulated this flock of parrots – everyone from the troll Stone, to Miller, Hewitson, Thrower and $tott – and Polly is now parrot in chief. Basically, he had an affair with her, got control of her magazine, which enabled him to get to the mothers he feeds on, making them think he was innocent of the GMC’s charges. And she then had a choice as to what to do next.

    If you compare what she says in your video clip, and what he says in the video clip I’ve posted, I think you’ll get the picture of Pretty Polly Parrot.

    I’m not sure that she’s ever come up with the kind of hard cash and green card stuff that Liz Birt got him before she died, but she’s certainly played her part to try rescue him from the oblivion he deserves.

    If she says she doesn’t know of the quite extraordinary misconduct which has been proven against him, she certainly, as the civil law would say, ought to know.

    • Brian Deer July 16, 2016 at 17:01 #

      Jump to 2.50 mins

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) July 16, 2016 at 17:29 #

      Mr. Deer,

      I have no evidence to show that there was an affair between Wakefield and Tommey. I also don’t feel it has any bearing on the discussion. In fact I think it detracts.

  15. Lorie Widman July 17, 2016 at 04:06 #

    As someone who lives in Austin and is quite aware of the latest con the Toomeys are trying to pull, I want them to just go away. The Autism Trust pipe dream is a huge debacle-in-the-making.

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